Re: [MV] Extra Armour On WW2 Shermans

From: NIGEL HAY (nigel@milweb.net)
Date: Thu Sep 07 2000 - 00:13:45 PDT


At this years War and Peace Show, Bob Fleming's M36 Jackson was in action
complete with the extra rubber armour, added by the Bosnians who were the
last careful owners.. They used thick conveyor belt rubber sheets to protect
the hull sides and running gear. I have seen pics of M10 tank destroyers in
WW2 with locally made turret armour, in both wood and steel to give the crew
some protection in the normally open turret.
NIGE

----- Original Message -----
From: "Product of Alkett" <sturmtiger1944@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Extra Armour On WW2 Shermans

> --- Geoff Winnington-Ball <gwball@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In the pic below, you can plainly see literally tons
> > of Churchill and
> > unidentified German track welded to the all sides of
> > this Sherman IC Hybrid Firefly (Holland, April
> > 1945).
> > Just how effective was this? Or was it more for
> > piece of mind? If good, good
> > only against Panzerfausts, or also good
> > for solid shot?
>
> Such ad-hoc "armor" offered up minimal protection, if
> any. Sandbags were the most common method followed by
> extra track links. Wood was also used. Interestingly,
> it seems that sandbags and tracks were used in the
> European theater while tracks and wood were the most
> common method in the Pacific theater.
>
> The addition of all these things ment more to the
> mental well-being of the crew more than actually doing
> anything to offer up adequate protection. One
> photograph in Steven Zaloga's "US Marine Tanks in
> World War Two" shows penetrations by Japanese AT guns
> through the wood planking on the hull side and into
> the hull itself. A novel idea in some Marine service
> M4s was to space the wood planks away from the hull by
> three inches and then fill in the gap with concrete.
> Another idea adopted by some Marine tankers was to
> mount oaken wood planks over the suspension to foil
> attempts by Japanese anti-tank teams from easily
> placing satchel charges and/or magnetic mines.
>
> In Steven Zaloga's "The Sherman At War: The European
> Theatre 1942-1945", he states that in Patton's 3rd.
> Army, Patton forbid the use of such additional "armor"
> stating that it lead to premature mechanical failure
> due to the added weight and that such protection was
> dubious at best. For the most part, this order was
> ignored...but Zaloga has a photograph of Patton after
> cussing out a tank crew whose Sherman was coated in
> sandbags.
>
> Spaced armor such as that used by the Germans or
> stand-off armor provided any sort of measure of
> defense against things like the Panzerfaust or bazooka
> in terms of add-on armor protection.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Ed
> http://members.aol.com/sturmpnzr
>
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