Mark:
I agree with you in spirit. But apparently this is not your list.
Form your own list. I spent 6 years as a Sysop on CompuServe when
it was the only source for such semi-public forums. 'List Owners'
balance between sticking to the stated rules and allowing list users to
share information.
If this list is 'dead-heading' then that is what the moderator/Wizop
chooses.
YOUR saying 'stop that' means nothing, as it is not your list.
> I will once again have no recourse but to leave the list until
> somebody starts moderating it,
I am quite new to the Mil-Veh list, but if your post is how you
really feel then leave. Or better, start your own list. But stop
whining about this list.
**** 2 *** days of posts, amounting to perhaps 30% of the total
traffic about what is a reasonably interesting virus/worm which uses
this exact type of medium to propagate itself does not hit me as abuse.
( If the moderator, whom I have seem post a few times in the few months
I've been lurking here disagrees with this please say so here or in
private: it's you're list/home, not mine )
Most List users likely don't have someone to ask about virus's.
Most List users use Microsoft Email products as they are bundled with
whatever version of Windows they have. Virus's, for the most part,
carry innocuous payloads, which might send your private documents out to
various people or open your PC to outside control.
But it will and is getting worse. Microsoft products are the target at
this time. If this IS a community, we should expect that others in this
community will help us with this issue when problems arise.
Thus we try.
( For the record: I've spent more time off line this week than on
line because of the worm and mis-information about virus's. Many list
followers try like hell to keep to the topic herein. But when somebody
like your mother in law or your attorney calls complaining that you just
gave them a virus which their antivirus program can not handle.... well,
you look for help wherever you feel you can trust it. )
paul
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To: mblair1@home.net
Reply-to: mblair1@home.net
Subject: Recent virus warnings on MIL-VEH (off-list)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:21:42 -0800
From: "Mark J. Blair " <mblair1@ilneval.orcnet>
I am not posting this message to the MIL-VEH list; I am sending it to
specific individuals who have contributed to off-topic virus-related
threads recently. As a matter of courtesy, I am addressing it via
blind carbon-copy, rather than publicly flaming anybody by name.
Please respond to me personally, NOT on the MIL-VEH list.
The recent threads on viruses have absolutely nothing to do with the
private ownership of military vehicles. Putting "Delete if you don't
care for it" in the subject line is no excuse. According to the list
charter:
"Please do not post test messages to the list, or off-topic
messages."
The inability of a portion of the MIL-VEH list members to maintain the
self-control to stay on-topic on the list baffles me, and the lack of
moderation of the list is extremely frustrating. This is exactly why I
left the list recently, hoping that things would quiet down by the
time I returned a month later. Obviously, there is still a vocal
portion of the list membership lacking the maturity to follow the
simple rule of staying on-topic.
I'm going to start yelling now:
THE MIL-VEH LIST IS *ONLY* FOR THE DISCUSSION OF TOPICS *DIRECTLY*
*RELATED* TO THE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF MILITARY VEHICLES.
COMPUTER VIRUSES HAVE *ABSOLUTELY* *NOTHING* TO DO WITH THE PRIVATE
OWNERSHIP OF MILITARY VEHICLES.
The fact that you may have received infected emails from other list
members, with subject lines derived from your past postings, is a
coincidental effect of the way this particular virus propagates. The
virus does NOT propagate through the MIL-VEH list server, and
discussions of it do NOT belong on the MIL-VEH list. I received an
infected posting, too. I did not post to the list; I contacted the
sender directly, OFF THE LIST.
Now, here comes the flaming. If you are easily offended, you may not
wish to read on. I'm sure I'll get flamed pretty violently for this
statement. Bring it on. I'll leave out any profanity in case any of
y'all have kids who may see this message. In order to more clearly
understand my message, I request that you use your imagination and
pretend that I cuss a blue streak in the following line:
IF YOU CANNOT DEVELOP THE SELF-CONTROL TO STAY ON-TOPIC, THEN PLEASE
GET OFF THE LIST.
I like to think that I have contributed to the list in a positive
fashion, and I humbly apologize for any transgressions I may have made
in the past. Many of the recipients of this message have had a lot of
good things to say, despite some off-topic postings, and I sincerely
hope that everybody whom I am addressing will choose to stay on the
list AND on-topic. The MIL-VEH list is a great resource, but lately it
has been ruined by several incidents in which the signal-to-noise
ratio has become unbearably low. If this doesn't change soon, I regret
that I will once again have no recourse but to leave the list until
somebody starts moderating it, or until I or somebody else creates a
moderated MV-related list, because it is clear that an occasional
spanking is necessary to make people behave.
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