From: Henry J. Fackovec (hfackovec@easternems.com)
Date: Thu Oct 10 2002 - 04:44:50 PDT
-----Original Message-----
From: Nichelle m Lawrence [mailto:aplreenactor@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:07 AM
To: hfackovec@easternems.com
Subject: Re: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
Henry,
It seems that you have pleaded an interesting case here about your
problem with reenacting and our, as put it, "playing dress up" This
statement you make is really out of line and makes you look like an
idiot. Let me ask you a question, if I may. Are you a veteran? No, I am
not. My father served in the 4th Battalion, 503rd Infantry, Company B,
of the 173rd Airborne. He spent two tours voluntarily and found it to be
scarier than hell and equally as fun. He made friends and lost friends.
He saved lives and he took lives. He is proud of what he did and what he
was. A veteran and a hero in his families eyes. He feels that reenactors
and the idea behind the hobby are wonderful. Now, while your father was
pushing papers in the office during his stint, was he thinking about the
time when people would be proud of him for the work he did to help win
the United States our freedom, or did he take the protestors shit and
try to hide his emotions?
I have been a Civil War reenactor for 15 years and a World War
II reenactor for 5 years. I am also a public school teacher. I find that
the hands on approach to learning is the only way to truly know what it
is you are interested in or desire to learn. Reenacting is the way I
know what a soldier from the 1860's or 1940's feels like and what it was
like to be them. I love American history and I learn it all types of
ways and reenacting is the best way I know how.
And please, from now on leave your petty nonsense at home. Thank
you for your time and huzzah for reenactors!
Y.M.O.S.
Andrew P. Lawrence
84th Infantry Division
Berdan Sharpshooters, 1st U.S.S.S., Company D
7th & 30th Volunteer Infantry, Missouri Irish Brigade
2nd Wisconsin, Company C, Iron Brigade
44th New York Volunteer Infantry, Company A
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:04:31 -0400 "Henry J. Fackovec"
<hfackovec@easternems.com> writes:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Scherrer [mailto:soldierboy440@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:36 AM
> To: hfackovec@easternems.com
> Cc: john cullifer; Allan Ensor; Heath Hensley; Andrew Lawrence;
> Allen
> Linquist; Matt; Charlie Palek; Randall Palmer
> Subject: RE: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
>
>
> First off, we dress in period clothing, not current US
> army clothing, so there is no legal issue of
> impersonating anything. As for taking up acting....I
> already have---reenacting. That is my hobby since
> 1983.
>
> I think M series vehicles are just as historic and collectable as WWII
> vehicles but they don't belong at a WWII only event. Your arguements
> and problem with this event is sorta like me taking my GPW to a Civil
> War event and wondering my people think it isn't
> correct.
>
> I am not sure what your problem is, but I really doubt
> it involves me and my WWII only event..other than
> being a target of your anger. If you don't like my event..then stay
> home but also remember others may appreciate it for what it is. I
> don't comment or go to your events just to rock the slurpee
> machine...so I ask you not do it with mine.
>
> Tim
>
> --- "Henry J. Fackovec" <hfackovec@easternems.com>
> wrote:
> > Hmmmmmm....
> >
> > A person who likes to dress up in military clothing
> > that was (AND THIS
> > IS AN ASSUMPTION) not authorized, (earned or however
> > the law would put
> > it) to wear. If I recall this is not allowed under
> > the MVPA rules, nor
> > under the Federal Code. (One of the reasons that the
> > NH club refuses to
> > join with the national, is we have certain
> > individuals that insist that
> > playing dress up is a god given right.).
> >
> > If you like this sort of thing, perhaps you should
> > consider taking up
> > acting.
> >
> > Additionally, while you will argue that this living
> > history stuff is "
> > Keeping their memories alive" I would counter that
> > many veterans (My
> > father included), do not really need to be reminded
> > of a period of the
> > worlds history that was rife with mans inhumanity to
> > man. Disruption of
> > millions of lives, families loosing sons, daughters, etc...In my
> > fathers words, " We fought and many died, so you would not
> > have to wear that
> > uniform...")
> >
> > I stand by my position that WWII vehicles are not
> > nearly as historic as
> > M series and should be collected, melted and made
> > into wheel chocks for
> > real vehicles. (Assuming the quality of the steel is
> > high enough. <G>
> >
> > Hankie, ducking and hiding behind Ronzo this time.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Tim Scherrer
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:12 AM
> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > Subject: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
> >
> >
> > Well, I was the guy who sent out the email saying
> > the
> > event had to WWII vehicles and the people dressed in
> > WWII clothing, so the target is here if you want to
> > take a swing at me.
> >
> > The thing of it is, the existing WWII vehicle convoy
> > done in the midwest did not directly invite nor
> > involve MVPA folks because it was intended as a
> > reenactment rather than a pure MV event..and they
> > didn't want to deal with non-WWII vehicles "farbing
> > up" the event, or deal with MVers showing up in
> > their
> > jungle fatigues and Grizzly Adams beards trying to
> > pass for WWII. They just avoided the issue by
> > excluding everyone but a select few reenactors.
> >
> > My thoughts were...why not try and get more MVPA participation by
>
> > opening it up and giving them opportunities to bring WWII
> vehicles.
> > You scratch our
> > back and we scratch yours. A win-win for everyone
> > who
> > can play..right?
> >
> > Well, I'm sorry if you are somehow offended that
> > your
> > M35 Duece or M151 can't play, but it doesn't fit the
> > intent of the event. I am trying to bridge the gap
> > between Reenactors and MV collectors in some
> > reasonable manner. If you are also offended by the
> > WWII clothing requirement (and my standards I listed
> > are much looser than any respectable WWII
> > reenactment), then you just don't get what I am
> > trying
> > to do here.
> >
> > This is likely why these types of events haven't
> > occurred. I am not out to make this the 1,000
> > vehicle
> > march. I am just trying to connect up reenactors
> > and
> > MVers together to have some fun and do some
> > interesting stuff. If you want to play but don't
> > have
> > a WWII vehicle, talk to a friend who does and get
> > your impression
> > together.
> >
> > If for some reason this whole concept infuriates
> > you,
> > well then this event is not for you and ignore the
> > email. I am putting a lot of work into trying
> > something new..and of course those who try new
> > things
> > always are criticized. Go put something else
> > together
> > if you are so inflamed.
> >
> > Tim Scherrer
> > Co, 84th ID, Reenacted
> > WWIIHRS, MVPA
> > Coordinator of Columbia, MO Convoy
> >
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