Re: [MV] NuclearAttack Medical Treatment

From: David Cole (
Date: Wed Feb 19 2003 - 12:43:44 PST

Well so much for worrying about nuclear attacks and losing our MV ownership
privleges. Once again we had identified the enemy and the enemy is us. (:-

I had sufficient duct tape and plastic before the government told me to buy
it, enough power to heat and cool my house for 30+ days, and draw water
from my private chemical free well. The walls in my storm shelter are 8+
inches of reinforced concrete and it is below grade. However none of this
matters if the Feds pick me up because I'm some suspect guy that drives a
military truck has a shop, works odd hours, and talks to other guys
interested in Military equipment.

Wake Up America!


On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:19:42 -0600, J Travis <>

> Steve Grammont wrote:
>>> You make it sound like the Nazi govt. of the 1930's
>> Sadly, Dave makes it sound like it really is -> a well used tactic of
>> all
>> governments when the crap hits the fan. When presented with a real
>> challenge that is hard to rise up to, distraction of the public becomes
>> a
>> much more viable option. The current Bush admin is far from the
>> originator of this. France and Germany (especially Germany!) are doing
>> the same things to their own populations too. I expect that most
>> governments right now are more than happy to have Terrorism and Iraq
>> around since pretty much all governments are faced with serious economic
>> problems.
>> I urge anybody who hasn't thought about how fear is used to distract us
>> from the real issues to check out Michael Moore's recent movie "Bowling
>> for Columbine". People can quibble about this or that detail in it, but
>> the basic message is undeniable. Plus, seeing him with Terry Nichols
>> brother (James) shows exactly why if we should fear anything we need
>> look
>> no further than our own towns and cities. BTW... contrary to some
>> popular misconceptions, Bowling for Columbine is *NOT* an anti-gun
>> flick.
>> In fact, I think guns came out of it close to the NRA's hardline
>> position that "guns don't kill people, people kill people".
>> While people are being urged to run out and buy ducttape, their employer
>> is probably busy printing up their pinkslip. They should save their
>> money so they can possibly afford to see a doctor if they get really
>> sick. Of course, without insurance what good will it do if the doctor
>> finds something wrong?
>> Sorry, no MV content.
>> Steve
> Steve,
> The more I find out about this new S.22 "Second Patriot Act" legislation
> being proposed, the more I tend to agree with you. There are two glaring
> areas that need to be looked at concerning this new legislation:
> 1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker
> Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be
> more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that
> Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot
> Act, insuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening
> members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they
> would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's
> own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully
> passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an
> impeachable offense.
> 2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar
> and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only
> gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously
> damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the
> entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under
> the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland
> Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security
> Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very
> structure the definition of dictatorship.
> ***************
> SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush
> administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens
> who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot
> Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the
> definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation
> of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act
> directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department
> boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA
> Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of
> terrorism is needed.
> Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be
> grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The
> Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had
> inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section
> 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or
> State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.
> SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any
> member of the government or any citizen to release any information
> concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states
> that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have
> arrested and they never have to release the names.
> SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national
> database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to
> include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone
> involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as
> "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for
> anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and
> orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.
> SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying
> operations against the American people and would place substantial
> restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil
> rights across the board.
> SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and
> again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.
> SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of
> whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be
> clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news
> gathering illegal.
> SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law
> powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a
> state of war exists.
> SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that
> broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges
> set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location)
> granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that
> government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with
> no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth
> Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.
> SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges
> against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate
> themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the
> Fifth Amendment.
> SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot
> Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other
> subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us:
> "this is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."
> SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.
> SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of
> "surveillance without a court order."
> SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and
> that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in
> press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage
> reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than
> that directed against more conventional types of crime."
> *Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second
> Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight
> international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of
> course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first
> USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.
> SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum
> of public and private sector information from bank records to educational
> and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the
> Total Information Awareness Network to totally break down any and all
> walls of privacy.
> The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if
> individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you
> can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.
> SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical
> examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill
> Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that
> people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.
> SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal
> and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also
> disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal
> subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.
> SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal
> agents.
> SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with
> toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.
> SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial
> dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a
> terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone
> investigating Haliburton.
> SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The
> database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will
> share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same
> purposes.
> SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of
> information sharing.
> SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big
> businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating
> their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all
> preventative measures has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the
> access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.
> SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people
> and to share information with foreign governments.
> SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows
> officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens
> anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take
> individuals out of foreign countries.
> SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The
> section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual
> even had the intent to aid terrorists.
> SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to
> include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.
> SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use
> encryption in the commission of a crime.
> SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole
> host of crimes.
> SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in
> terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now
> considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.
> SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they
> point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any
> terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death
> penalty.
> SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section
> states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will
> result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.
> SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in
> terrorist activities.
> There are many other sections that I did not cover in the interest of
> time. The American people were shocked by the despotic nature of the
> first Patriot Act. The second Patriot Act dwarfs all police state
> legislation in modern world history.
> As to the MV content, I wonder what kind of vehicles they'll use to haul
> us off in the middle of the night with?
> Jay Travis
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