From: Steve & Jeanne Keith (cckw@attbi.com)
Date: Wed Mar 12 2003 - 03:40:38 PST
Charles Lindberg, the Pacifist also shot down a Japanese plane in WW2....
To my extensive mil history knowledge, there has never been a war between
2 countries with freely elected governments. That being the case, the way to
'peace' would seem clear!
Steve AKA Dr Deuce
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Seidts" <jseidts@astory.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> I take exception to those who are petty enough to get on this forum to
bash
> those who are brave enough to leave friends and family for what they
believe
> in. Those people are courageous- there is no other word for it.
>
> Courage in any form, even if it lies in the heart and spirit of your
enemy,
> should be admired. We need more people in the world like that- no
> question... And if you're that kind of person, more power to you. But
> think CAREFULLY about what you are saying when you flippantly consign a
> brave, conscientious, moral person to the ranks of "human target."
>
> Charles Lindberg resigned his commission as a Lieutenant Colonel from the
> Army Air Corps prior to WWII because he disagreed with the international
> policies which our Government touted in the years leading up to WWII. He
> was right; in the aftermath of WWII the Japanese political machine
referred
> often to pre war American Policy as BIG reasons that they changed their
> focus from China to the Pacific and began the war. Lindberg's contention
> was that we were pushing the Japanese toward belligerent acts, and that
the
> China problem was in many ways created by the domination of their politics
> by Western countries for over a century and would be best resolved if we
let
> them work it out.
>
> Despite his views, after war broke out, he immediately offered his
services
> to the War Department. Considering that his specialty was long range
flight
> and all the intricasies surrounding it, you would think that he would be a
> necessary part of the team. It was almost not to be.
>
> Roosevelt personally interfered with his application for a new commission
> and he never received one. He was very bitter about the public
shellacking
> he had taken by the isolationists before WWII, and Lindberg was at the top
> of his list.
>
> Nevertheless, Lindberg found his way as a civilian advisor to the South
> Pacific, where he was personally responsible for more than DOUBLING the
> range of our long range interceptors there, the P38 Lightnings. Of
course,
> this was almost 2 years after these operations had started.
>
> We are very good at persecuting minorities in this country, so let's not
be
> too quick to judge the voices of caution and reason, and even those who
> vehemently oppose our points of view. There might be some truth to them,
> and in the midst of saber rattling, MOAB dropping, and JP4 fumes, some of
> these options may be better in the long term.
>
> Don't know if you saw the news today, but it looks like Tony Blair is
going
> to take a bath as PM. If he does, we are left with very few options in
> regards to the UN, which means we are standing pretty much alone against
the
> UN Security Council. We might be standing alone as Charles Lindberg was
> standing near the outbreak of WWII, and our options limited not in this
> conflict, but the MUCH MORE serious ones which will surely follow. I have
> had to think hard about it, and I know that S Hussein is as bad a dude as
> needs to be removed- but I think we need to listen to the international
> community more on this one.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Frisch" <jenjas@cox.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] The French
>
>
> > I like to think of those going as "human shields" more as "human
> > targets"................
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julian Burke" <julian@knology.net>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:56 PM
> > Subject: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> > > With all of the talk of the French and how we hate them now,
wasn't
> > it
> > > France some years back that wouldn't let us fly over their air space
to
> > get
> > > to a military objective?? As I remember, there were some un-Americans
> > that
> > > said "Thank you France" much like the un-Americans who are going to
> > Bagdad
> > > to act as "human shields". How lest we forget! Julian
> > >
> > >
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