From: Mel Miller (nourmahal@att.net)
Date: Thu Jun 26 2003 - 21:34:26 PDT
Howdy Mr. Cole,
I think your solution sounds great! It is too bad that credit card companies
do not pursue fraudsters. You are lucky that they at least absolved you of
any wrong doing. There have been others who were not so lucky....
Mel Miller
Corpus Christi, TX
361-937-3317
M725
M884
86 VW Transporter Drop Side Pickup
> From: David Cole <DavidCole@tk7.net>
> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:45:15 -0500
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Subject: Re: [MV] HUGE Brother (eBay) is watching
>
> it BEHOOVES us to act as if our emails could be
>> published the next day.
>
> Good Point.
>
> I hope you do not think that when a person files a complaint with his
>> local
>> PD and they then contact Ebay for info on the name and location of the
>> person being complained against, that this constitutes unreasonable
>> publication of a persons business?
>
> No, I think that is reasonable. However I have found the police very much
> disinterested in chasing anything that has not occurred in their
> jurisdiction. For instance, my credit card number was stolen in Ohio, (I
> live in Indiana) and apparently the number was passed around and charges
> rung up in California and the east coast. The charges amounted to in
> excess of 10K, they would not give me an exact figure. I knew where the
> number was taken and asked the credit card company to go after the firm. I
> called the police, both local and in Ohio. No interest. (The crimes were
> not committed in either location.) I didn't hear from the credit card
> company for days. I called their fraud investigation unit. They had
> determined that since I had not committed fraud, that they would drop the
> case and write off the 10K+. So much for investigation.
>
> What I have seen work for bad Ebay guys is this. Find out where the guy
> lives. Find someone who lives near that person. Ask that person to send a
> stern note asking the bad seller if they can stop by for a visit to discuss
> this transaction. Within the note, mention various surrounding features,
> road construction, new stores, etc. It shows that you really know where
> that person lives. Seems to work everytime. Who wants some guy hovering
> around your place of residence with a problem to discuss. Not I. It's
> amazing how quickly bad sellers suddenly become responsive.
>
> Dave
>
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> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:13:31 -0500, Mel Miller <nourmahal@att.net> wrote:
>
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>>
>>> From: David Cole <DavidCole@tk7.net>
>>> Reply-To: DavidCole@tk7.net
>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:55:14 -0500
>>> To: Mel Miller <nourmahal@att.net>, Military Vehicles Mailing List
>>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [MV] HUGE Brother (eBay) is watching
>>>
>>> I've been selling and buying stuff on Ebay for years. I've sold
>>> hundreds
>>> of items and bought not nearly as much as I have sold.
>>>
>>> When a person goes into a store to buy an item, there is an inherent
>>> expectation that the transaction is not entirely public. For instance,
>>> if
>>> I go into a drug store to buy supplies, I don't expect to see my name on
>>> the sign out front telling the public that I saved $10 on a case of
>>> condoms
>>> the night before. The transaction is semi-private, and certainly not
>>> something that I would expect to be above the fold on the newspaper the
>>> next day.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that none of the customers I have dealt with on Ebay expect
>>> that
>>> also. In fact I'm quite sure that if all sales on Ebay were entirely
>>> public, that their sales volume would fall like a rock.
>>
>> Howdy Mr. Cole,
>>
>> I agree that sales on Ebay should not be completely public. I would never
>> advocate such a position. What I was saying was, that with the porosity
>> of
>> the web being what it is, it BEHOOVES us to act as if our emails could be
>> published the next day.
>>
>> I hope you do not think that when a person files a complaint with his
>> local
>> PD and they then contact Ebay for info on the name and location of the
>> person being complained against, that this constitutes unreasonable
>> publication of a persons business? The General Public is in no way
>> notified
>> of the disputed transaction (except for member placed negative feedback).
>>
>> You say that you know people who think that others who do not agree with
>> them 100% are very suspicious. I have met a few of those types myself.
>> Usually they are narrow minded types without a lot of education and less
>> common sense. I do not know what you were inferring by connecting such
>> people with Ebay's policy of cooperating with LEO's but I can assure you
>> the
>> average fraud investigator in city PD's have better things to do than
>> idly
>> ring up companies like Ebay to try to get information on someone they do
>> not
>> like. Of course, if they do not like a person, chances are they already
>> know
>> the person AND where they live.
>>
>> If a person has already attracted the attention of Huge Brother, Ebay
>> records are bound to be the least of his/her problems since all Ebay
>> communications except payments through Paypal, etc. are sent in the clear
>> anyway.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mel Miller
>> Corpus Christi, TX
>> 361-937-3317
>> M725
>> M884
>> 86 VW Transporter Drop Side Pickup
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> Dave
>
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