From: Bobby Joe Pendleton (bjpendleton@charter.net)
Date: Mon Nov 10 2003 - 14:22:37 PST
there is a guy here in East TN has some A-frame kits for sell. I think they
are NOS and the last time he tried to sell me one he was asking $100 ea. If
anyone is interested I can send you has Phone number.
Bobby Pendleton
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Cole" <DavidCole@tk7.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Monday, 10 November, 2003 13:36
Subject: Re: [MV] A Frame crane setup for front end of 5 ton truck?
> I'll cross brace the pipes somewhat - ala ladder bracing. The bracing is
> the key.
>
> You'd be amazed at how much a 2.5 inch pipe will hold if braced. The roof
> of my 50' x 30' barn is supported by 10 - 2.5" schedule 80 pipes. With
> cross bracing it is extremely ridgid.
>
> A lot of those heavy lifting cranes are made out of tube also, but the
> bracing minimizes the ability for the tubes to deflect under load.
>
> I was wondering what the official procedure was to get the US issue A
frame
> in the air. Perhaps they utilize 3 guys and a pole to push it up and then
> connect the guy wire?
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:04:48 -0500, m35products <m35prod@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Without seeing what it is you are talking about, and with the
> > understanding
> > that I am not an expert at anything in the world, it seems that a couple
> > of
> > 2.5" pipes, 20 feet in length, are not going to hold much of anything,
> > before deflecting and turning into a pretzel.
> >
> > Raising a boom is never a problem, assuming the lift point is above the
> > pivot point, even by a few inches. I have often marvelled at the very
> > large
> > construction cranes that are transported into a city on flatbed
trailers.
> > When they arrive and are assembled horizontally along the street,
> > erecting
> > them is a quick job, because the hoisting cables are just a little
higher
> > than the boom itself, and our friend Mr. Leverage is at work..
> >
> > APB
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cole" <DavidCole@tk7.net>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] A Frame crane setup for front end of 5 ton truck?
> >
> >
> >> Thanks, I found it in a newer copy of that TM I pulled off Logsa. The
> > 1963
> >> version I had didn't have it in it.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have more info on this kit? I would like to make one up,
> >> but
> >> obviously the military did some engineering on this setup and I don't
> >> want
> >> to reinvent the wheel. Any idea how long those poles are they used for
> > the
> >> A frame? Does anyone else have any details on this rig? If anyone is
> >> interested, I'll put a drawing of the rig on my website once I get it
> > done.
> >> I think I have most of the materials already. I'm thinking of using
> >> some
> >> 2 1/2" diameter pipe - 20 feet long for the uprights. Has anyone
> >> actually
> >> used this rig? I'm thinking that actually getting the rig in the air
> > might
> >> be a challenge in itself. But it sure would be useful.
> >>
> >> I've been sand blasting my dump truck box and I might weld in some
> > brackets
> >> to accomodate this rig if I can figure it out and get it done before it
> >> gets excessively cold. I was spraying paint while the temp hovered
> >> around
> >> 38 this weekend. If it wasn't for hardener, this would not be
possible!
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:47:06 -0800 (PST), Joe Foley
> >> <redmenaced@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Page 2-146 of TM 9-2320-211-10.
> >> >
> >> > One caution, they appear to have neglected to invert
> >> > the pintle hook, I would think the cable should be
> >> > pulling on the larger part of the hook/hitch, not on
> >> > the "latch".
> >> >
> >> > Joe
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- David Cole <DavidCole@tk7.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Does anyone know the TM that would have info on the
> >> >> A Frame crane setup that I have heard about for the 5 ton M54
series?
> > Or
> >> >> does anyone have picts of this rig in action?
> >> >>
> >> >> Has anyone on the list used this setup before? I'd
> >> >> like to put one together.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:34:43 -0500, David Cole
> >> >> <DavidCole@tk7.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How do we know that these pictures were
> >> >> classified? Or is this opinion > that they "should" have been
> >> >> classified.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dave
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:55:36 -0600, Doc Bryant
> >> >> <rbhonk1@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> What hit the Abrams has not been verified and
> >> >> came as a surprise to our
> >> >> >> forces. I'm therefore puzzled why you are so
> >> >> sure you know what it was.
> >> >> >> Plus, that doesn't change anything... the pics
> >> >> were classified and they
> >> >> >> were leaked. Classified is classified even if it
> >> >> doesn't make sense to
> >> >> >> the individual for such a designation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> < I saw where the report is sensitive. Not
> >> >> classified. I also did not
> >> >> >> notice any great uproar anywhere else over these
> >> >> pictures being bandied
> >> >> >> about.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The Abrahms has been sold to foreign countries. One can easily
> > assume
> >> >> >> other
> >> >> >> nations intelligence outfits have looked at the
> >> >> tank very carefully. >> And
> >> >> >> that is an assumption that I could take to any
> >> >> bank and cash.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In testing weapons, if you have a good idea the
> >> >> composition of the armor >> you
> >> >> >> are trying to breech, its a standard practice to
> >> >> be able to establish a >> test
> >> >> >> material and then extrapolate that data to give
> >> >> you an idea how it would
> >> >> >> perform if that weapon hit the real McCoy. Obviously, you can not
> >> >> plan >> in
> >> >> >> that test for Clausewitz's fog of war, but you
> >> >> can understand what the
> >> >> >> projectile will do to a roughly equivelent armor
> >> >> shield. Then, if you >> are
> >> >> >> worried about any fudge factors, just dial up the
> >> >> performance a notch or
> >> >> >> two. Overkill is never a bad idea.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The weapon wasn't thought to be effective but the
> >> >> gunner got a lucky
> >> >> >> hit and found something that wasn't planned on.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The Golden BB theory? No. Although its done,
> >> >> and we all know it, one
> >> >> >> should never field a weapons system based on the
> >> >> hope for lucky shot.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Never assume that the enemy knows what they are
> >> >> doing
> >> >> >> and give them intel they didn't have on a silver
> >> >> platter.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> True. We should have not then allowed FMS of
> >> >> these tanks to other >> nations.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Doc Bryant
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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> >> >> -- Dave
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