Re: [MV] A Frame crane setup for front end of 5 ton truck?

From: bjpendleton@charter.net
Date: Tue Nov 11 2003 - 13:01:13 PST


Discount Jeeparts INC
423-928-1941 his name is John Madden

 I haven't talked to him in a while he should still have them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Joe Pendleton" <bjpendleton@charter.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] A Frame crane setup for front end of 5 ton truck?

> there is a guy here in East TN has some A-frame kits for sell. I think
they
> are NOS and the last time he tried to sell me one he was asking $100 ea.
If
> anyone is interested I can send you has Phone number.
>
> Bobby Pendleton
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Cole" <DavidCole@tk7.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Monday, 10 November, 2003 13:36
> Subject: Re: [MV] A Frame crane setup for front end of 5 ton truck?
>
>
> > I'll cross brace the pipes somewhat - ala ladder bracing. The bracing
is
> > the key.
> >
> > You'd be amazed at how much a 2.5 inch pipe will hold if braced. The
roof
> > of my 50' x 30' barn is supported by 10 - 2.5" schedule 80 pipes. With
> > cross bracing it is extremely ridgid.
> >
> > A lot of those heavy lifting cranes are made out of tube also, but the
> > bracing minimizes the ability for the tubes to deflect under load.
> >
> > I was wondering what the official procedure was to get the US issue A
> frame
> > in the air. Perhaps they utilize 3 guys and a pole to push it up and
then
> > connect the guy wire?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:04:48 -0500, m35products <m35prod@optonline.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Without seeing what it is you are talking about, and with the
> > > understanding
> > > that I am not an expert at anything in the world, it seems that a
couple
> > > of
> > > 2.5" pipes, 20 feet in length, are not going to hold much of anything,
> > > before deflecting and turning into a pretzel.
> > >
> > > Raising a boom is never a problem, assuming the lift point is above
the
> > > pivot point, even by a few inches. I have often marvelled at the very
> > > large
> > > construction cranes that are transported into a city on flatbed
> trailers.
> > > When they arrive and are assembled horizontally along the street,
> > > erecting
> > > them is a quick job, because the hoisting cables are just a little
> higher
> > > than the boom itself, and our friend Mr. Leverage is at work..
> > >
> > > APB
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Cole" <DavidCole@tk7.net>
> > > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:17 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] A Frame crane setup for front end of 5 ton truck?
> > >
> > >
> > >> Thanks, I found it in a newer copy of that TM I pulled off Logsa.
The
> > > 1963
> > >> version I had didn't have it in it.
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone have more info on this kit? I would like to make one up,
> > >> but
> > >> obviously the military did some engineering on this setup and I don't
> > >> want
> > >> to reinvent the wheel. Any idea how long those poles are they used
for
> > > the
> > >> A frame? Does anyone else have any details on this rig? If anyone
is
> > >> interested, I'll put a drawing of the rig on my website once I get it
> > > done.
> > >> I think I have most of the materials already. I'm thinking of using
> > >> some
> > >> 2 1/2" diameter pipe - 20 feet long for the uprights. Has anyone
> > >> actually
> > >> used this rig? I'm thinking that actually getting the rig in the air
> > > might
> > >> be a challenge in itself. But it sure would be useful.
> > >>
> > >> I've been sand blasting my dump truck box and I might weld in some
> > > brackets
> > >> to accomodate this rig if I can figure it out and get it done before
it
> > >> gets excessively cold. I was spraying paint while the temp hovered
> > >> around
> > >> 38 this weekend. If it wasn't for hardener, this would not be
> possible!
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:47:06 -0800 (PST), Joe Foley
> > >> <redmenaced@yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Page 2-146 of TM 9-2320-211-10.
> > >> >
> > >> > One caution, they appear to have neglected to invert
> > >> > the pintle hook, I would think the cable should be
> > >> > pulling on the larger part of the hook/hitch, not on
> > >> > the "latch".
> > >> >
> > >> > Joe
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- David Cole <DavidCole@tk7.net> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Does anyone know the TM that would have info on the
> > >> >> A Frame crane setup that I have heard about for the 5 ton M54
> series?
> > > Or
> > >> >> does anyone have picts of this rig in action?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Has anyone on the list used this setup before? I'd
> > >> >> like to put one together.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Dave
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:34:43 -0500, David Cole
> > >> >> <DavidCole@tk7.net> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > How do we know that these pictures were
> > >> >> classified? Or is this opinion > that they "should" have been
> > >> >> classified.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Dave
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:55:36 -0600, Doc Bryant
> > >> >> <rbhonk1@cox.net> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> What hit the Abrams has not been verified and
> > >> >> came as a surprise to our
> > >> >> >> forces. I'm therefore puzzled why you are so
> > >> >> sure you know what it was.
> > >> >> >> Plus, that doesn't change anything... the pics
> > >> >> were classified and they
> > >> >> >> were leaked. Classified is classified even if it
> > >> >> doesn't make sense to
> > >> >> >> the individual for such a designation.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> < I saw where the report is sensitive. Not
> > >> >> classified. I also did not
> > >> >> >> notice any great uproar anywhere else over these
> > >> >> pictures being bandied
> > >> >> >> about.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> The Abrahms has been sold to foreign countries. One can easily
> > > assume
> > >> >> >> other
> > >> >> >> nations intelligence outfits have looked at the
> > >> >> tank very carefully. >> And
> > >> >> >> that is an assumption that I could take to any
> > >> >> bank and cash.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> In testing weapons, if you have a good idea the
> > >> >> composition of the armor >> you
> > >> >> >> are trying to breech, its a standard practice to
> > >> >> be able to establish a >> test
> > >> >> >> material and then extrapolate that data to give
> > >> >> you an idea how it would
> > >> >> >> perform if that weapon hit the real McCoy. Obviously, you can
not
> > >> >> plan >> in
> > >> >> >> that test for Clausewitz's fog of war, but you
> > >> >> can understand what the
> > >> >> >> projectile will do to a roughly equivelent armor
> > >> >> shield. Then, if you >> are
> > >> >> >> worried about any fudge factors, just dial up the
> > >> >> performance a notch or
> > >> >> >> two. Overkill is never a bad idea.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> The weapon wasn't thought to be effective but the
> > >> >> gunner got a lucky
> > >> >> >> hit and found something that wasn't planned on.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> The Golden BB theory? No. Although its done,
> > >> >> and we all know it, one
> > >> >> >> should never field a weapons system based on the
> > >> >> hope for lucky shot.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Never assume that the enemy knows what they are
> > >> >> doing
> > >> >> >> and give them intel they didn't have on a silver
> > >> >> platter.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> True. We should have not then allowed FMS of
> > >> >> these tanks to other >> nations.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Doc Bryant
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
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> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -- Dave
> > >> >>
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