Re: [MV] Fuel Question Not the same anymore

From: Fred Martin (mung@in-touch.net)
Date: Thu Oct 07 2004 - 08:07:18 PDT


Good post Wayne...but it brings up another question, What about the
people running bio-diesel for fuel...such as French fry oil or such?
Fred Martin

Wayne Harris wrote:
>> From the net. http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/diesel_fuel.htm
>
>
> Off road diesel and the diesel for the newer trucks and cars are not the
> same. The fuel at the pump maked "Highway Diesel #2" means that the
> sulfur level is approved for highway use and catalytic converters.
> Diesel #2 is heavier than #1. It also (usually) has lower Cetane and
> more heat energy per gallon than #1. #2 will tend to form wax crystals
> and gel at temperatures below 10 degrees F. Most winter fuels are a
> blend of #1 and #2, but when it gets really cold add fuel conditioner to
> avoid clogging the fuel filter with wax crystals
>
>
>
> Off road fuel still has the sulfur which affects wear, deposits, and
> particulate emissions. Diesel fuels contain varying amounts of various
> sulfur compounds which increase oil acidity. Legislation has reduced the
> sulfur content of highway fuel to 0.05% by weight. Off road fuel has an
> average of 0.29% sulfur by weight.
>
> fuels, DOT inspectors, and the perils of having dyed fuel in a tank.
> Here are the high points:
>
> Off road Diesel #2 and fuel oil # 2 differ only in the tax applied at
> the time of sale. Both are dyed red.
>
> Kerosene #1 and #2 are lighter than #1 and #2 diesel fuel. Most kerosene
> is dyed red.
>
> The old method of winter treatment using 1 gal of kerosene to 10 gal of
> diesel can get a driver into trouble unless it is dispensed as clear
> kerosene from a pump which charges road tax.
>
> Any red dye in a tank of fuel is detectable by the sampler the DOT uses,
> even when diluted by a large quantity of undyed fuel. As little as 1/2
> qt of ATF in a tank of fuel will be detected as untaxed fuel and can
> cause a major headache for the driver.
>
> In VA, fines for using dyed fuel (untaxed) begin at $1000and go up
> rapidly from there. Road checks for untaxed fuel began in northern VA,
> and have now spread throughout the state.
>
> Q: What is the difference between #1 Diesel and K1 Kerosene?
> K1 kerosene is a low-sulfur kerosene that is made for use in space
> heaters, lamps, etc. - and not for use in vehicles or generators. It is
> also not taxed so would be illegal to use in "on-road" vehicles.
>
> Lower lubricity is likely as the viscosity decreases. While this may not
> cause catastrophic instant damage, it could cause long-term wear of
> pumps, etc. Four semi-annual surveys for years 1990-1992 showed national
> averages as such for viscosity (represented in milliPascal-seconds (mPa
> . s)(=centipoise) cSt)
>
> Diesel # 1 1.33
> Diesel # 2 3.20
> Kerosene 1.63
> Both Kerosene and Diesel # 1 are less dense than Diesel # 2 and will
> thus have a slight reduction (~3%) in BTU per gallon. This would likely
> be reflected in lower fuel economy.
>
>> From: grntrks@juno.com
>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question
>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:05:18 -0500
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>> The red dye in the fuel only does 2 things--- identifies untaxed fuel (
>> road use taxes ) and leaves a detectable marker in the exhaust residue in
>> the exhaust pipes. This dye, when found in a " highway " vehicle is
>> considered tangible evidence that the vehicle owner has attempted to
>> avoid paying the " highway tax " by consuming untaxed fuel illegally. I
>> don't remember how high the fine is, but it's high enough that I figured
>> it wasn't worth getting caught. (something on the order of $2,000.00 -
>> first offense. - might be higher, just don't remember. ) In Texas during
>> the annual vehicle inspection, while checking exhaust emissions the
>> vehicle is also checked for dye traces. If found, you are guilty PERIOD.
>>
>>
>> Frank Cox ' Nam 1966
>> MVPA 14530
>> '45 GMC 353 DUKW
>> '66 M35A2 w/w
>> "On-A-Mission" hot shot trucking
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:42:11 -0400 "Ed Kirkley" <mojoedd@bellsouth.net>
>> writes:
>> > Hi Gang,
>> >
>> > A friend has a supply of "off road use only" fuel for his farm
>> > tractors and
>> > such. It is dyed red in color but seems to be standard diesel. Can
>> > this be
>> > used in M-1009s, Humvees, Duce and half's, etc.? Can using this
>> > fuel in any
>> > way harm your vehicles???? With the cost of fuel being what it is
>> > this
>> > seems like a valid question and I told him that I had just the place
>> > to find
>> > out.........What say you esteemed listers????
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>
>
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