RE: Olive Drab no. 3412 color ???

From: Adams-Graf, John (John.Adams-Graf@fwpubs.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 08:27:39 PDT


Tom:
I realize that the study of U.S. vehicle paint colors is complex, to say the least. But, if you reread what I had written before (still pasted at the bottom of this post), OD No. 3412 is the SAME as Olive Drab No. 22, which is the same as OD No. 9 and which is the same as AN 319.

SO, to simplify it, if you want OD No. 3412, buy AN 319. There should be no difference as it was all the same formulation. Incidentally, on March 1, 1956,

I don't know what you mean by "the older, darker 1952 era color"

John A-G

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas M McHugh [mailto:tmmchugh@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:54 AM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List; Adams-Graf, John
Subject: Olive Drab no. 3412 color ???

Does anyone know a source for the OD No. 3412 Paint ???

Does anyone know of Spray Paint for the older darker 1952 Era color ???

Tom McHugh, NJ
1952 M38A1
M-416 Trailer
MVPA, MTA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adams-Graf, John" <John.Adams-Graf@fwpubs.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] color of WW2 gensets

Terry:
Here is the link to a good article on paint color evolution that had
appeared in Military Vehicles Magazine some time ago about paint color
evolution:
http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?Pub=MV&id=4600

Also, there is an excellent synopsis of the evolution in the Standard
Catalog of Military Vehicles, SECOND EDITION by David Doyle (pages 480-502).

Incidentally, the specification for that created the number "A/N 319" was
introduced in January 1943 ("A/N" meaning "Army/Navy"). It was not adopted
by the Army Air Corps because it did not inhibit infrared detection. It was
the same color as Olive Drab number 22--just a new designation.

Olive Drab no. 22 was a designation created by the Quartermaster Corps in
October 1940. The paint was to be made according to ES-474 ("Engineering
Specification"). ES-474 was later replaced by ES-680.

In October 1942, responsibility for paint shifted BACK to the Corps of
Engineers. They referred to their own specifications, Spec 3-1. Though the
color was the same as Olive Drab no. 22, the Corps of Engineers had its own
name: "No. 9 Olive Drab." The spec was updated to Corps of Engineers
standards and adopted as "Specification 3-1F/Color Car Supplement (Revision
1)." This was issued on April 21, 1943

Before I go on...a bit of review:
Outbreak of World War II: All vehicles painted in Olive Drab No. 22

Olive Drab No. 22 is the same as No. 9 Olive Drab. A/N 319 Olive Drab is
the same color as Olive Drab 22.

End of World War II: All vehicles painted in Olive Drab No. 22 (the same as
No. 9 or A/N 319. One color, three names.)

SO....up until August 1, 1945, when Army Regulation 850-15 introduced a
semigloss Olive Drab (for the very first time), all vehicles were painted in
the same color (though the NAME of the color changed three times in four
years).

Bear in mind, too, that AR 850-15 stated CLEARLY that vehicles were only to
be repainted in semigloss when repainting was otherwise required. the
September 1945 issue of Army Motors noted that the semigloss would not be
available for 60-90 days. SO, during WWII, NO semigloss was approved for
use on vehicles.

The rest of the story...In 1950, No. 22 Olive Drab was renamed "Olive Drab
no. 3412". The semigloss specified in AR 850-15 was named "Olive Drab no.
2430". OD 2430 was the standard color of U.S. vehicles until 1956.

Hope this helps
John A-G
Iola, Wisconsin USA



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