From: Thomas M McHugh (tmmchugh@msn.com)
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 19:37:28 PDT
Matching the paint is no problem. Having spray cans to touch up a scratch
or scrape is where I can't get a match.
Thanks all for helping.
Tom McHugh, NJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Olive Drab no. 3412 color ???
> Wouldn't it be possible with the new photo matching
> available at paint stores to get the right color?
>
> Under the data plates is a good spot for unoxidised
> paint that would be easily transportable.
>
> Rick
>
> --- Thomas M McHugh <tmmchugh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Army Motors or Military Vehicles magazine had a
>> great article about the
>> evolution of 24087. I am well aware of the changes
>> of color that took
>> place over the years. It is just unfortunate that
>> the military could not
>> have used an alpha designation for each upgrade.
>> During my 43 years in the
>> military, every time we repainted trucks, they did
>> not match.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 24087 available now is actually lighter in tone.
>> Worse yet ALL spray
>> 24087 is not a match to can paint. The spray is
>> what we called "Baby
>> Sh**" spray since it looks more like a dirty diaper.
>> Sure wish we could
>> convince a supplier to make spray OD in the older
>> color. I would buy
>> several cases, if ever available. Many of my
>> friends would also. How
>> about it, paint people ???
>>
>> I had found gal cans of original older 24087 paint &
>> painted my early 1952
>> M38A1. It looks good. Now when I have to touch up
>> a small scratch, with
>> spray, it does not match.
>>
>> Thanks much.
>>
>> Tom McHugh, NJ
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adams-Graf, John"
>> <John.Adams-Graf@fwpubs.com>
>> To: "Thomas M McHugh" <tmmchugh@msn.com>; "Military
>> Vehicles Mailing List"
>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:27 AM
>> Subject: RE: Olive Drab no. 3412 color ???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom:
>> I realize that the study of U.S. vehicle paint
>> colors is complex, to say the
>> least. But, if you reread what I had written before
>> (still pasted at the
>> bottom of this post), OD No. 3412 is the SAME as
>> Olive Drab No. 22, which is
>> the same as OD No. 9 and which is the same as AN
>> 319.
>>
>> SO, to simplify it, if you want OD No. 3412, buy AN
>> 319. There should be no
>> difference as it was all the same formulation.
>> Incidentally, on March 1,
>> 1956, Federal Standard 595 redesignated Olive Drab
>> 3412 (formerly No. 22,
>> No. 9, and 319) as "34087". Be careful here, though
>> and read closely:
>> FEDERAL STANDARDS EVOLVE. The number "34087"
>> represents different things at
>> different times since 1956.
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by "the older, darker
>> 1952 era color" but I
>> suspect you are referring to 2430, the semigloss OD?
>> If so, 2430 and 24087
>> were virtually identical. 24087 is available from
>> many great dealers that
>> you will find advertising in Military Vehicles
>> Magazine. To recap, 202 is
>> the same as 2430 which is the same as 24087.
>>
>> John A-G
>> Iola, WI USA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas M McHugh [mailto:tmmchugh@msn.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:54 AM
>> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List; Adams-Graf, John
>> Subject: Olive Drab no. 3412 color ???
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know a source for the OD No. 3412 Paint
>> ???
>>
>> Does anyone know of Spray Paint for the older darker
>> 1952 Era color ???
>>
>> Tom McHugh, NJ
>> 1952 M38A1
>> M-416 Trailer
>> MVPA, MTA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adams-Graf, John"
>> <John.Adams-Graf@fwpubs.com>
>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
>> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MV] color of WW2 gensets
>>
>>
>> Terry:
>> Here is the link to a good article on paint color
>> evolution that had
>> appeared in Military Vehicles Magazine some time ago
>> about paint color
>> evolution:
>>
> http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?Pub=MV&id=4600
>>
>> Also, there is an excellent synopsis of the
>> evolution in the Standard
>> Catalog of Military Vehicles, SECOND EDITION by
>> David Doyle (pages 480-502).
>>
>> Incidentally, the specification for that created the
>> number "A/N 319" was
>> introduced in January 1943 ("A/N" meaning
>> "Army/Navy"). It was not adopted
>> by the Army Air Corps because it did not inhibit
>> infrared detection. It was
>> the same color as Olive Drab number 22--just a new
>> designation.
>>
>> Olive Drab no. 22 was a designation created by the
>> Quartermaster Corps in
>> October 1940. The paint was to be made according to
>> ES-474 ("Engineering
>> Specification"). ES-474 was later replaced by
>> ES-680.
>>
>> In October 1942, responsibility for paint shifted
>> BACK to the Corps of
>> Engineers. They referred to their own
>> specifications, Spec 3-1. Though the
>> color was the same as Olive Drab no. 22, the Corps
>> of Engineers had its own
>> name: "No. 9 Olive Drab." The spec was updated to
>> Corps of Engineers
>> standards and adopted as "Specification 3-1F/Color
>> Car Supplement (Revision
>> 1)." This was issued on April 21, 1943
>>
>> Before I go on...a bit of review:
>> Outbreak of World War II: All vehicles painted in
>> Olive Drab No. 22
>>
>> Olive Drab No. 22 is the same as No. 9 Olive Drab.
>> A/N 319 Olive Drab is
>> the same color as Olive Drab 22.
>>
>> End of World War II: All vehicles painted in Olive
>> Drab No. 22 (the same as
>> No. 9 or A/N 319. One color, three names.)
>>
>> SO....up until August 1, 1945, when Army Regulation
>> 850-15 introduced a
>> semigloss Olive Drab (for the very first time), all
>> vehicles were painted in
>> the same color (though the NAME of the color changed
>> three times in four
>> years).
>>
>> Bear in mind, too, that AR 850-15 stated CLEARLY
>> that vehicles were only to
>> be repainted in semigloss when repainting was
>> otherwise required. the
>> September 1945 issue of Army Motors noted that the
>> semigloss would not be
>> available for 60-90 days. SO, during WWII, NO
>> semigloss was approved for
>> use on vehicles.
>>
>> The rest of the story...In 1950, No. 22 Olive Drab
>> was renamed "Olive Drab
>> no. 3412". The semigloss specified in AR 850-15 was
>> named "Olive Drab no.
>> 2430". OD 2430 was the standard color of U.S.
>> vehicles until 1956.
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> John A-G
>> Iola, Wisconsin USA
>>
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