Re: Lee E

From: Everette (194cbteng@bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri Dec 02 2005 - 06:22:55 PST

Yes I was in the Army -- so long ago that the draft was still in operation,
if you remember that you will remember that draftees had different prefixes
to serial numbers, seems to me like RA for volunteer and US for draftee, but
that was almost 50 years ago and my memory is not clear on that point. I
had FR prefix, I was volunteer, joined Reserves on 19 Oct 1958, asked for
active duty status 20 Oct 1958, went to Ft Chaffee, Ark for basic training,
and yes had mouthy DIs, but I was never abused except by what was said to
me, was never struck either by hand nor object. Did lots of pushups as
"punishment", and lots of running, setups etc. I must have been decent
soldier for in 3rd week of basic I was "promoted" to temp corporal, which
meant I wore an arm band with corporal stripes on it, and had to be an even
"better" soldier or stripes were taken away and I wore them rest of time.

But after I left basic training camp I was never again yelled at or called
abusive names - just did my job and followed rules. Company I was in had
men in Cambodia in 1959 setting up listing posts, important job I thought,
and still think so - not to say other jobs in military were not also
important, nothing more important than rifleman.

I after a while had enough rank and a job that put other men under my
command and I never had to yell at them, we knew our job and did it. My
uncle was in combat in WWII and I never heard him say that after basic he
was ever yelled in an abusive manner nor called trashy names......

You may think being called slimeball or maggot is a term of endearment and
respect but I do not, we were called in basic, dumbass, recruit, lardbutt,
and other terms that escape me but I did not consider them terms of
endearment, but rather a descriptive term. For most of us were "dumb"
concerning military conduct, and some were indeed lardbutts, all were
recruits.

Yes many morning in basic I rolled out of bunk to the tunes played on
garbage can lid, at some unreal hour, was given a very few minutes to dress
and then had to listen as I was told my uniform was not exactly correct or
my weapon was not clean enough. After arriving at my permanent post we
still stood periodic inspections, and very seldom was everything correct,
but was told in a decent manner to correct the deficiencies. Yes had GI
parties to clean barracks, and yes they were never clean enough. Nothing
compared to the inspection we had to go trough when one of the fellows in
company was found to have "crabs"

I am of the opinion that a man / woman doing their job does not need to be
treated like a sub-human for any reason by anyone be he a DI, or anything
else.

I do not approve of the language you refer to in movies and TV, and very
much object to your inference that I promote this.

No I do not approve of Hanoi Jane nor the woman camped - if living in motel
is camping- outside the presidents ranch. I think people like her and the
national news media are encouraging our enemy in Iraq - and a thousand other
places our military is in harms way.

To go one step further if we are forced by the liberal media, politicians
and others to an early pull out from Iraq we will see car bombs and suicide
bombers here next.

Enough of my soap box.........

Everette

Everette

----- Original Message -----
From: "Floyd Petri" <fpetri@eastex.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Lee E

> Everette normally I would not say anything at all about this. However,
> your last paragraph leads me to believe that I should ask this question.
> Have you ever been in the military and if so what branch? I don't know you
> and I have never met you or remember anyone discussing you so I really
> don't know the answer to the question.
>
> However, if the answer is yes then that generates another question. How
> did you ever slip threw the crack and not get torn all the way down from a
> civilian slimeball and then built up again as a mean lean fighting
> machine? Have the Political Influence stamp on your 201 file? Or maybe you
> missed being torn down and are still a slimeball???
>
> However, if the answer is no then all of us veterans now know and owning
> or having an interest in military vehicles does not make you a veteran or
> makes you know and understand that "slimeball" in the military is a form
> of affection between a Drill Instructor and his/her trainee. Magget is
> another one. Or whatever???
>
> Now I don't have my flame shields up because I am retired military and I
> like the abuse. "More PT Sergeant". So I will answer your last paragraph
> with this:
>
> Ever see the movie "Star Ship Troopers"? I believe I would vote yes to
> have their system. You must join the military to become a citizen and get
> the right to vote. NO MILITARY and you are not SHI-. Not a citizen and you
> can't vote. If all the veterans would get together and vote as a block we
> could solve all our problems because there are that many of us and we
> could get anything that we wanted. So how in the world can you let the
> atheist and communist and "unmentionables" allow movies that use the MF
> and F words every other word and you only are offended by "Slimeball"?
> There definately is something wrong in America or soon to be Amerika.
>
> That being said Hanoi Jane is a traitor and should be tried as one instead
> of being voted Woman of the Year. I could go on and on, but what does that
> have to do with military vehicles? Waiting for your answer to the
> question.
>
> Floyd
> Retired U.S. Army
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Everette" <194cbteng@bellsouth.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Lee E
>
>
>> Well here I go, I caused - to my regret - the start of this thread, and
>> have said very little more about it; that said, --
>>
>> -- I have my flame shield up against the onslaught I expect when I say
>> this ::
>>
>> "I enjoy the show and only problem I have is Lee's attitude that he takes
>> when he calls the audience "slimeball" and other demeaning terms he
>> uses."
>>
>> It is beyond my comprehension that the US Marine Corp, which is a fine
>> organization, can be proud to have him represent them. Maybe what I have
>> heard "any publicity is better than none" is true..
>>
>> Everette
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MV] Lee E
>>
>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> He was awarded that rank recently as an Honorary title by the Marine
>>> Corps. I believe it was for presenting a positive image of the Marine
>>> and the U.S. military in general on Mail Call. If memory serves me
>>> correct. His Gunny Sgt. rank was presented to him on a episode of Mail
>>> Call.
>>>
>>> Darrell
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Glen Closson" <glen_closson@earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MV] Lee E
>>>
>>>
>>>>I stand corrected. This is what I found:
>>>>
>>>> Ronald Lee Ermey is a retired Staff Sergeant of the United States
>>>> Marine Corps. After serving more than 10 years (1961 to 1971),
>>>> including a brief stint as a Drill Instructor at Marine Corps Recruit
>>>> Depot San Diego, India Company 3rd Recruit Training Battalion, Ermey
>>>> retired on a medical disability and took up acting. In 1987, he took
>>>> the role that would define his persona for the forseeable future, that
>>>> of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, the foul-mouthed, abrasive drill
>>>> instructor in Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. He has since applied
>>>> that persona to a number of projects, most recently "Mail Call," a
>>>> question-and-answer type program about antique weaponry.
>>>>
>>>> What I was thinking of was the rank of "Gunny." He didn't receive that
>>>> rank until after he left the Corps.
>>>>
>>>> Glen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: froberts@midsouth.rr.com
>>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2005 8:04 AM
>>>> To: Glen Closson <glen_closson@earthlink.net>
>>>> Cc: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [MV] Lee E
>>>>
>>>> This is his Bio from the history Channel. He was a Marine for 11 years
>>>> and a DI for 2 years.
>>>> =======================================================================
>>>> =========
>>>> About The Host
>>>>
>>>> Golden Globe nominee and Boston Society of Film Critics Award Winner
>>>> for Best Supporting Actor in director Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal
>>>> Jacket, R. Lee Ermey, after more than 25 years in the business, is one
>>>> of the most successful and talented actors in film and television
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> His numerous roles in feature film include: Switchback, starring
>>>> opposite Dennis Quaid and Danny Glover, Dead Man Walking, Seven,
>>>> Leaving Las Vegas, Murder In The First, Life, The Frighteners and
>>>> Sommersby, as well as his critically acclaimed role opposite Jared
>>>> Leto in Prefontaine. He continues doing numerous voiceover roles which
>>>> span from The Simpsons to Toy Story("1" and "2").
>>>>
>>>> Ermey served 11 years active duty with the U.S. Marine Corps. He rose
>>>> to the rank of staff NCO, served two years as a drill instructor and a
>>>> tour of duty in Viet Nam. Medically retired in 1971, he used his G.I.
>>>> Bill benefits, and enrolled at the University of Manila in the
>>>> Philippines where he studied drama. Francis Ford Coppola was filming
>>>> Apocalypse Now in the area and cast Ermey in a featured role. He has
>>>> since gone on to star or appear in approximately sixty films.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ermey is no stranger to prestigious television either. He has starred
>>>> in numerous telefilms including HBO's Weapons of Mass Distraction,
>>>> TNT's The Rough Riders, and TNT's You Know My Name, starring Sam
>>>> Elliot, as well as Showtime's The Apartment Complex.
>>>>
>>>> Lee starred with Elizabeth Pena in the feature On the Borderline. Just
>>>> before that, Lee was in the feature film Skipped Parts, with Jennifer
>>>> Jason Leigh and Drew Barrymore. Recently, Lee starred in Saving
>>>> Silverman with Jason Biggs, Jack Black, Steve Zahn and Amanda Peet.
>>>> Lee appears opposite Jeff Bridges in Scenes of the Crime and Harvey
>>>> Keitel in Taking Sides. For New Line he appeared in Run Ronnie Run and
>>>> starred in the remake of Willard with Crispin Glover. Also for New
>>>> Line, he stars in the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Lee is also
>>>> hosting his own show for The History Channel, MAIL CALL, which focuses
>>>> on military technology past, present and future. It continues to be
>>>> one of the highest rated series on The History Channel. Lee has
>>>> recently begun filming Cheer Up with Tommy Lee Jones for Revolution
>>>> Studios.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Glen Closson <glen_closson@earthlink.net>
>>>> Date: Thursday, December 1, 2005 9:51 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [MV] Lee E
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't think Lee was a DI in real life, only in the movies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I beleive he was granted an "Honorary DI" title.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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