From: V SCHWARTZ (vsaws@optonline.net)
Date: Sat Dec 17 2005 - 11:48:54 PST
TJ, That was the best explanation yet Perhaps you could just put that out to
the list eveery three or four weeks to remind those who seem to be denser
than most. Perhaps that will cut down on this topic comming up so often I'm
sure you have other important stuff to impart to us that we can all leard
about. I for one cannot understand why after reading your posts that some
one will still try to reinvent the MV laws . Just my view of course and I
wish to thank you for all your useful information without anyone thinking
tha I am blowing smoke up;your---. Vinny
----- Original Message -----
From: <timothy.smith1@att.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: [MV] Clarification
>I sent this to another list member. Might be of interest to you fellas..
>Remeber, this is coming from Texas..
>
> Weigh stations are a must when you're that big. Since you're "in
> disguise", they'll probably think you're the real military, wave & send
> you on through but weight laws apply to non
> commercial vehicles as well as commercial. Better to get the "Hey stupid!
> Why are you in my scale lineup?" look from the scale operator than the
> "How DARE you pass my scales?!" look from the trooper.
>
> Folks have a tendency to think of weigh stations as a kind of forward base
> of operations for DOT guys. True, they hang out there a lot (if you want
> an apple, go to the tree, right?) but the real function of the weigh
> station is to check for overloads. Besides, weigh stations have
> bathrooms, phones, coffee, and a safe place to crawl under a truck without
> getting yer toes mashed.
>
> I'd like to clear something up for you that I fear you might have
> developed a misconception on..
>
> Think of CDL as a section of law unto itself. Your state my have adopted
> FMCSR's part 383, or they may have kept their own state drivers license
> law, but in any event, CDL law has threshhold weights and descriptions
> similar to, but different from, those weights and descriptions we use as
> guidance when determining who we can inspect for compliance with the
> FMCSR's.
>
> Our two topics stated simply:
>
> Who can a DOT inspector inspect? Vehicles in intERstate COMMERCE with a
> GVWR 10,001# or more and vehicles in intRAstate COMMERCE with a GVWR
> 26,001# or more. Key to this is "in commerce", rather than "commercial."
>
> Who needs a CDL? Drivers hauling certain amounts of hazmat, regardless of
> their vehicle's GVWR, but generally speaking, drivers operating vehicles
> with a GVWR or GCVWR OF 26,001# or more. This includes (by Texas law) ANY
> vehicle, whether in commerce or not.
>
> Texas has certain exemptions from CDL- for example, true RV's, emergency
> stuff like firetrucks, certain farm industry vehicles- but these exempted
> drivers still must have the correct type; A, B or C. For them, there is
> only a written test involved to get the correct type and its a no-brainer.
>
> Guys who need that CDL have to also take a driving test and demonstrate a
> certain level of proficiency (pre-trip inspection, etc). For many of us
> with large MV's, we find that the testing stations don't want to allow us
> to test in former MV's, which really sucks. And it seems the MVers can't
> seem to find a civvy truck to take the driving test in. I think THAT is
> the crux of the problem for most guys, who would otherwise just get their
> CDL and be done with it.
>
> ***************************
> ANYWAY, take note, the two topics have similar threshold weights. Most
> important thing to help you on your way to understanding this stuff is
> remembering, we are talking about two entirely different topics that
> should be discussed independantly and not lumped together. So, before
> asking a question you'll need to decide exactly what topic you are asking
> about.
>
> So, if you're really sharp, after what I've told you, you might be able to
> imagine circumstance where I might be doing a DOT inspection on a truck
> that doesn't even require a CDL to drive! (Vehicle driven in interstate
> commerce, over 10k, but 26k or less.)
>
>
>
> TJ
>
>
>
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