From: Glen Closson (glen_closson@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Jan 18 2006 - 09:09:32 PST
Good points.
But has anybody contacted the MVPA?
Glen
-----Original Message-----
>From: Kent Schaffer <santoken@bright.net>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2006 9:04 AM
>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Subject: Re: [MV] Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time to do something now
>
>List,
>
>Some of you may recall several months ago my spouting about the MVPA not
>doing what I felt they should be doing...this is prime case in point.
>Funny thing is that I received a lot of hatemail (term used lightly, but
>it was hardly flaming) for my statements. The MVPA is a special interest
>group...and they should start acting like it. If they had been doing
>their jobs, this bit in Kansas would have not come to this. </rant>
>
>Now, what can be done about this situation? You all know that this is
>the first in a long series of laws like this...and hardly do we want to
>give our government a leg to stand on regarding this. Possible future
>scenarios:
>
>1) Law like this passes nationwide,
>2) Law banning ALL OD vehicles in Kansas banned,
>3) Law banning all past MV's in Kansas...or nationwide,
>4) [Insert any ridiculous law here]
>
>At this point, an effort MUST be organized...if the MVPA doesn't stop
>this, that is. Anyone got a plan? How many individuals from Kansas do
>we have here? This must be stopped...just the way it is, fellas.
>
>So, what do we do about it?
>
>Kent
>
>
>
>timothy.smith1@att.net wrote:
>> I'd like to buy her husband a membership in the MVPA and a subscription to Military Vehicles Magazine. Hee hee he!
>> TJ
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
>>
>>>I forgot to mention a couple of other things.
>>>
>>>You may want to research all the codes she quoted (K.S.A. 8-127(a), K.S.A.
>>>8-2002(a)(3)). You may find something useful to fight back with. I would
>>>also investigate what law gives her the authority to do what she did.
>>>
>>>By the way, here is the e-mail address for lady who just made up the new
>>>rule.
>>>"Signed: Carmen Aldrett, Director of Motor Vehicles"
>>> carmen_alldritt@kdor.state.ks.us <carmen_alldritt@kdor.state.ks.us>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
>>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:42 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [MV] Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time
>>>to do something now
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>To the person in Kansas.
>>>>
>>>>I have some suggestions that you may or may have not considered.
>>>>
>>>>1. I would definitely get a lawyer. (I'm willing to make a donation for
>>>>this).
>>>>2. Try to find out who her boss is and see if he is more armor friendly
>>>>and get him to override her decision.
>>>>3. Find out how she got her position. If it is appointed or elected,
>>>>then you can campaign to get her removed.
>>>>4. Find a state representative that is armor friendly and ask for his
>>>>assistant to create a law allowing all historical military vehicles to be
>>>>registered, thus it would void her letter.
>>>>5. Share her e-mail address with everyone so they can voice their
>>>>complaint.
>>>>6. When pressing your case and you come across anyone who appears
>>>>against it. Ask them the following questions.
>>>>a. Tell me when was the last time a privately owned military vehicle
>>>>was used to commit a crime?
>>>>b. When was the last time a privately owned vehicle killed someone?
>>>>c. When was the last time a privately owned was involved in a auto
>>>>accident?
>>>>I'm sure, with an exception to the last one that they will not be able to
>>>>answer them. Why? Because people like us who own these type of vehicle
>>>>are very aware or the destructive capabilities. We know that any such
>>>>mishap would jeopardize our possessions of such vehicle. Because of this
>>>>we take great care to avoid them.
>>>>
>>>>7. Last resort, register your vehicle out of state. I'm sure that many
>>>>on this list would be willing to help.
>>>>
>>>>Darrell
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Dave Thomas" <davesgmc4u@yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:08 PM
>>>>Subject: [MV] Kansas denied ALL armored vehilce registraions, its time to
>>>>do something now
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi group. I am a new member and owner of a ferret. I
>>>>>have been
>>>>>fighting to get it licensesd here in the state of
>>>>>Kansas. below is a
>>>>>copy from an email composed by a fellow ferret owner
>>>>>that has been
>>>>>of great help to me in getting it registered. I
>>>>>suggest you all read
>>>>>it, as it concerns everyone with this mans decsion.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have scanned copies of the letter and "policy" in
>>>>>.pdf format that I can email you if you wish.
>>>>>
>>>>>_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>Please read this information. The State of Kansas has
>>>>>declared no
>>>>>more armored vehicles may be licensed there. I have no
>>>>>idea how this
>>>>>will impact those already licensed - maybe they will
>>>>>have their
>>>>>licenses rescinded or not renewed. It is a very
>>>>>dangerous situation
>>>>>of other owners if this catches on in other states.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ian Wallace
>>>>>
>>>>>MVPA #20862
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Ferret-heaven@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Ferret-
>>>>>heaven@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Wallace
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:05 PM
>>>>>To: Ferret-heaven@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>Subject: [Ferret-heaven] Kansas Licensing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The State of Kansas has provided me with a "official"
>>>>>copy of a
>>>>>policy declaring a Ferret, and everything else
>>>>>armored, unfit for
>>>>>licensing in Kansas. First the letter from Mr. Moser:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Mr. Wallace,
>>>>>
>>>>>Enclosed you will find a copy of the Director of
>>>>>Vehicles
>>>>>Declaration regarding the registration of privately
>>>>>owned armored
>>>>>military combat vehicles you requested. In view of the
>>>>>lawful
>>>>>declaration issued by the director, the Division of
>>>>>Vehicles
>>>>>considers this matter closed and no further
>>>>>correspondence will be
>>>>>responded to. Thank you for you interest and
>>>>>attention.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely, Mathew H. Moser, Manager, Titles and
>>>>>Registrations
>>>>>Bureau, Division of Vehicles
>>>>>
>>>>>Now we have the policy. The emphasis is mine!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, DIVIS ION OF VEHICLES
>>>>>
>>>>>POLICY DECLARATION 06-01
>>>>>
>>>>>PRIVATELY OWNED SURPLUS ARMORED MILITARY COMBAT
>>>>>VEHICLES
>>>>>
>>>>>Whereas armored military combat vehicles are not
>>>>>manufactured or
>>>>>intended for general transportation purposes or use by
>>>>>the public on
>>>>>public reads and includes: tanks, half-tracks, armored
>>>>>personnel
>>>>>carriers, self-propelled artillery and armored
>>>>>anti-tank or scout
>>>>>vehicles.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
>>>>>combat vehicles are
>>>>>not manufactured with proper safety equipment and pose
>>>>>a traffic
>>>>>hazard if operated on public roads.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
>>>>>combat vehicles are
>>>>>dedicated weapons of war with no private adaptable
>>>>>civilian purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whereas privately owned surplus armored military
>>>>>combat vehicles are
>>>>>a cause of concern for law enforcement and homeland
>>>>>security.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whereas the Division of Vehicles is to exercise
>>>>>administrative
>>>>>functions and authority for the development of vehicle
>>>>>registration
>>>>>policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>NOW THEREFORE pursuant to K.S.A. 8-127(a), and the
>>>>>authority vested
>>>>>in me as the Director of Vehicles, I declare it shall
>>>>>be the policy
>>>>>of the Division of Vehicles not to permit privately
>>>>>owned surplus
>>>>>armored military combat vehicles application for
>>>>>registration. Any
>>>>>operation of privately owned surplus military combat
>>>>>vehicles on
>>>>>public roads shall be in accordance with the
>>>>>provisions of K.S.A. 8-
>>>>>2002(a)(3) and under the regulation of local
>>>>>authorities permitting
>>>>>or prohibiting processions or assemblages on the
>>>>>highways.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hereby direct the Titles and Registrations Bureau to
>>>>>make
>>>>>available copies of this policy to all county and
>>>>>state motor
>>>>>vehicle offices and personnel charged with the
>>>>>administration of
>>>>>motor vehicle registrations. This policy declaration
>>>>>shall be filed
>>>>>at the Titles and Registrations Bureau and is
>>>>>effective November 18,
>>>>>2005.
>>>>>
>>>>>Signed: Carmen Aldrett, Director of Motor Vehicles
>>>>>
>>>>>Now some observations. First, Mr. Moser is getting
>>>>>tired of the
>>>>>pressure, and won't respond any more. Little does he
>>>>>know that
>>>>>others will be in contact.
>>>>>
>>>>>Second, look carefully at the policy. It is Policy
>>>>>#06-01. Perhaps
>>>>>the Division of Motor Vehicles thinks that we are all
>>>>>dummies, and
>>>>>that they can pull one over on us. I am willing to bet
>>>>>00DC81 that
>>>>>this policy was entered into official Kansas records
>>>>>NO EARLIER than
>>>>>the date that my letter requesting the written policy
>>>>>arrived. That
>>>>>would be around the first few days of January. Their
>>>>>policy numbers
>>>>>relate to 1) the year of issuance, and 2) the
>>>>>sequential number of
>>>>>the policy. I am positive that this policy was not
>>>>>created back on
>>>>>November 18th as stated in both the policy and the
>>>>>hand written same
>>>>>date on the policy by the Director. THERE WAS NO
>>>>>POLICY IN 2005.
>>>>>THIS WAS THE FIRST POLICY CREATED IN 2006, #06-1
>>>>>
>>>>>The language of the policy is also very disturbing.
>>>>>Note
>>>>>that "homeland security" is mentioned. Well, read it
>>>>>for yourself.
>>>>>This is a very, very dangerous policy if allowed to
>>>>>stand. There was
>>>>>no mention of the name of their legal advisor that I
>>>>>asked for. I
>>>>>guess we will have to find that out ourselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>I will also post this to other military lists. Copies
>>>>>have been sent
>>>>>to Mr. McManus (Consumer Affairs Advocate) at Hagerty
>>>>>Insurance and
>>>>>the MVPA Board of Directors.
>>>>>
>>>>>So now begins the fight!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave Thomas
>>>>>fortitudine vincimus
>>>>>"Through endurance we conquer"
>>>>>913-219-3179
>>>>>1956 Daimler Ferret
>>>>>02 BB 68
>>>>>MVPA 29221
>>>>>
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