From: Chris Brunner (cjbrunner@optonline.net)
Date: Wed May 10 2006 - 13:33:24 PDT
Guys, these are all great ideas, but the problem is much more simple.
Although these other ideas are possible, what I'm writing about is a
Chris
Glen Closson wrote:
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The new series starters (the gear reduction starters) draw much more
power to close the contacts. The new starts draw something like 20amps
instant, and 12amps constant to keep the starter engaged. That kind of
power draw is just too much for the little relay that's under the dash.
The older starters would draw about 12amp instant and 6amp constant to
run - so they would work ok - only sometimes frying the relays.
published problem. Start with a bigger relay first - and if that doesn't
solve the problem then go to the mechanics. But just like the Fuel
Pressure switch - this problem was everything short of published in the
manual.
> Good point!
> Or perhaps the teeth on the starter are engaging too far and past the
> flywheel teeth and the shims move the starter away so that this
> doesn't happen. Or am I on crack with this idea?
>
> Glen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Kalin
> Sent: May 10, 2006 1:26 PM
> To: Glen Closson
> Cc: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [MV] Starter Saga V & ??
>
> Possibly a bent flywheel? That would keep it from engaging
> sometimes, and from disengaging at other times.
> Bruce
>
> Glen Closson wrote:
>> I'm thinking that there is something mechanically preventing the starter from disengaging. Like it getting “stuck” while engaged to the flywheel. That would explain why it works fine on the bench. What was the purpose of the shims that were mentioned earlier?
>>
>> Another option is to have an exorcism performed on your truck!
>>
>>
>> Glen
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Ed <mojoedd@bellsouth.net>
>>> Sent: May 9, 2006 8:54 PM
>>> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>> Subject: [MV] Starter Saga V & ??
>>>
>>> Well today saw us getting the starter checked on the bench after getting it
>>> back from the shop. Bench checked just fine, not a problem in sight.
>>> (Wait, it gets better)! Installed the starter on the truck, secured all
>>> battery cables, started truck, started just fine, not a problem in sight.
>>> (Wait, it gets better)! Found a couple of loose hose clamps on the radiator
>>> and tightened them up, leaks stopped, refilled coolant, not a problem in
>>> sight. (Wait, it gets better)! Started truck twice more, "just for grins"
>>> and to check for leaks, charging system, things that go bump in the night,
>>> not a problem in sight. (Wait, it gets better)! Drove the truck to the
>>> local Dairy Queen for a large Banana Cream Blizzard because we finally
>>> licked the dirty dog, planning to go by and pick up a heavy duty relay for
>>> installation of it and an in line fuse, "just in case", not a problem in
>>> sight. OK, here it comes.............Tried to start the truck and it went
>>> ballistic at the starter again!!!! This time I was ready and pulled the
>>> starter relay BEFORE it burned anything. Tore up my bad back but saved the
>>> truck!!
>>>
>>> Had to endure the jabs and jokes from my friend with the garage that came in
>>> his roll back to get me but at least nothing burned!
>>>
>>> OK, here's the deal, a couple of weeks ago I bought a brand new, never
>>> installed, still in the sealed box military starter from a guy on Ebay that
>>> I have dealt with many times with the very best of luck. This starter is a
>>> LOT smaller than the one that we took off the truck but I was assured that
>>> this was the proper starter for the M-1009 & M-1008. The starter was a 24
>>> VDC starter and it sounded great when starting the truck for the two weeks
>>> before the first burn up or out, what ever. This is when the trouble
>>> started. Nothing else has been added to or subtracted from the truck before
>>> or since. I have over 31 years experience working as an A&P Mechanic on
>>> everything from a Cessna 150 to a Boeing 747, I know how to work on things
>>> and I know how to check a circuit and wiring. A fellow A&P Mechanic that I
>>> had worked with for many years helped me check the wiring after I made the
>>> repairs. All checked good. All power was as spec'd in the manual for the
>>> M-1009 and it's wiring diagrams.
>>>
>>> Could it possibly be that this new starter needs a "beefed up" starter relay
>>> due to it's size or something else in it's system that we aren't aware of?
>>> Remember, the starter is the ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO IN THIS TIME
>>> PERIOD OR ANYWHERE NEAR IT!
>>>
>>> I have caved in and taken it to a shop to pay for repairs. I am going back
>>> in with a normal starter under the dash, taking the wire running from that
>>> relay to the starter off of the starter and running it to a brand new
>>> Kenworth 24 VDC starter relay. Running the other leg of that massive relay
>>> through a larger wire and in line fuse to the starter. I'm then going to
>>> stand back and see what happens. I told the shop to check out everything,
>>> do the mod as I described it, (thanks to Chris Brunner for the idea), start
>>> the truck several times, drive it for a few hours, run errands, what ever
>>> and if it doesn't fail call me. If it fails I told them to run it off a
>>> cliff!! Damn, we don't have cliffs around here!
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any other idea WHY this damn thing failed again other than
>>> what I said above? Can it be anything other than the new starter? This
>>> starter had the solenoid replaced and then rechecked again by a VERY good
>>> electrical shop and was found to be working 100% correctly!?!? Any thoughts
>>> would be greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Again thanks to all who have responded and helped, Bless you all, I can't
>>> say enough about you guys, you are the best!
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> "The consolidation of the States into one vast empire, sure to be
>>> aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain
>>> precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Glen
>>
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> Regards,
>
> Glen
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