Re: [MV] M-38 Paint

Jason Rose (m151a1@micron.net)
Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:58:55 -0700

Dear sir,

Sorry for giving you MY own personal preference. IF you don't like what
people say, then do not ask. I was merely stating that my experience has
shown that the paint (Gillespie) from RAPCO has held up much better after
three years than the paint my cousin used on an M38 after only a year. We
worked together during the preparation stage of both jeeps. My jeep stays
outside, uncovered, and has not faded. The only thing I do is spray Pledge
polish on it before a parade or vehicle show or airshow.

I am not a scientist. I am a lover of military vehicles. I am not a
purist. I do not know those who are. They have a right to be purists if
they want to. If you are so concerened about military paint, then I suggest
you do not buy the cheap stuff from RAPCO or Aervoe from where ever, but
rather you spend big bucks on PPG or some other brand.

Please accept my apologies for providing my opinions. (By the way, what
does preferring either Ford or Chevys have to do with this list?)

Good luck

Jason Rose

-----Original Message-----
From: Cougarjack@aol.com <Cougarjack@aol.com>
To: da_cole@csi.com <da_cole@csi.com>
Cc: mil-veh@skylee.com <mil-veh@skylee.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] M-38 Paint

>In a message dated 99-02-16 13:12:42 EST, you write:
>
><< With all due respect, I think you're asking a bit more than the typical
> guy could deliver regarding paint. I mean come on, supply data or
> photos to prove what he says? Rhetoric isn't satisfactory? This is an
> email list... Exactly what kind of data are you looking for? What kind
> of photo's, before and after?? >>
>snippage here about military color lots being identical....
>Dave,
>Jeez, I didn't think there was anything provocative in my note. Sorry if I
>rattled you! I was hoping to get through the often repeated myths on these
>paints. My personal suspicion is that people are brand loyal for various
>reasons that have little to do with performance of a product. It's easy to
>convince yourself that YOUR favorite is the best. I'll admit that mil-spec
>paint is NOT a huge investment, but the prep work certainly IS.
>Some folks do go to the trouble of recording a lot of what they do,
>especially if there is a question. I guess I was hoping. Perhaps it is
time
>for us to start gathering paint performance data somewhere as each person
>paints a vehicle? In a short time, there would exist a good data bank on
the
>best choices, based on actual performance.
>One last thing...the most common flaw in mil-veh purchases is often the
paint.
>I'm sure that you'll agree that there MUST be a wide range of performance
out
>there, as one sees virtually every color of green and/or brown on older
>trucks. It would be nice to learn how this comes about, and how it might
be
>"copied" if desired. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to paint a new fender
and
>know it would weather to the truck's native color in time? Or, suppose you
>didn't wish your 5 year long WC project to look like it just came from the
>factory? Kinda ruins the diorama!
>I believe that military paint is one of the areas which bear more study.
After
>all, tons of data have been accumulated on civilian paint products, and
paint
>franchises have sprung up all over like mushrooms, but military vehicles
>typically get painted at the factory, and then just suffer touch-ups and
>field applications from then on. We don't know nearly enough about the
paints
>and how they perform. Do we?
>As in any endeavor of research, only factual data should be accepted as
proof
>of results, hence my comment about rhetorical evidence. It was not a slur
>about the writer. You can go on and on about how "Ford trucks are better
than
>Chevys", yada yada yada, but the data may show differently. It's merely
true
>that people tend to make statements like that for a lot of varied reasons,
>most of them based on their own limited personal experience, and not
>conclusive evidence. When you group the experience together with that of
>everyone else, an accurate picture begins to emerge. Comments?
>
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