I have talked to the DOT supervisors here in Missouri about this
subject.....as long as the towing vehicle is Historic Motor Vehicle
Qualified and tagged as such (25 years old or older)...they have no
interest in the matter. It is the displayed tag that makes the difference,
on the towing vehicle!
I have a M35 and a Trail King Backhoe tandem float, 20K...
I was concerned about the Class A CDL as well. I have a Class B......
So far as long as I have Historic plates, I am unregulated here as far as
the CDL goes.
Jon
At 03:10 AM 3/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I think I'm well beyond the dreaming phase Glenn. Reality hit my wife when I
>backed the 23K lb M51 off the back end of the dual tandem gooseneck
trailer that
>I used to haul the thing 300 miles to it's current residence. (Ironically
the
>rig I used to haul the truck home on, was a class A vehicle according to CDL
>definition) Not much later my wife was trying to hit me! Now it is parked
>next to the house with the front wheels off (hub work) and she has only
>mentioned it annoying her once. I think she has given up.
>
>I've talked to all kinds of people about my situation including the guy who
>insured me, the state police (Indiana), the County Sherrif, etc. The farm
>vehicle thing sticks here in Indiana. It might not work elsewhere and it
>obviously doesn't work in Kalifornia. In fact, Indiana has special licensing
>(not drivers license) provisions for mil vehicles, but the BMV doesn't know
>about them so they give you either farm plates or classic car plates.
>
>I looked at the CDL manual in Indaina and sure enough my M51 dump with a
heavy
>tag trailer would qualify as a Class A vehicle. Looks like I might need to
>rent or borrow a heavy tag trailer and go for it. I think I had better go
>interview the licensing examiner first to make sure this is going to fly.
They
>probably don't see to many '62 M51's coming in as test vehicles.
>
>Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
>
>Glenn Shaw wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave
>> I hear what you are saying and it is great to dream but when it comes down
>> to dealing with police, courts, judges, insurance companies, civil
plaitiffs
>> etc you will need to be on solid ground. You will need to make your
position
>> fly in court or it will ruin your day. If you want to try anything I
guess
>> you can but you will have to weigh all the risks. I will try to give some
>> more info with comments placed within your post:
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: DaveCole <davidcole@tk7.net>
>> To: Glenn Shaw <dogstar918@mediaone.net>
>> Cc: (Military Vehicles Mailing List) <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 2:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MV] trailer laws - now MV Movers discussion
>>
>> > I disagree with the notion that it is not that hard to get a CDL.
>> >
>> > As has been pointed out on this list, in order to get a CDL, you have to
>> > be
>> > tested in the same type of vehicle that you want to get certified for.
>> > So
>> > ......
>> >
>> > You have to have access to such a vehicle.
>> > You have to have some skills in the same type of vehicle, but you can't
>> > legally
>> > drive this vehicle and obtain the skills unless you have a license and
>> > access to
>> > such a vehicle. You can go to a driving school $$$$$.
>>
>> Negative. In order to test for a Class A which covers all Class A vehicles
>> you can get by with a dump truck and tagalong as long as the GVW of the
>> truck and the trailer require a Class A CDL. I wont get into all the
>> weights and details here. That can come later on when you get serious
about
>> doing it. You do not need a TT unit. Everyone knows someone who has access
>> to a Class B or Class A rig that will help out and be your sponsor.
>>
>> > On the other hand, I could go out and buy a tractor, put farm plates on
>> > it,
>> > drive it a few hundred miles down country roads and get the hang of it,
>> > drive
>> > the tractor to the CDL certification site and then get a CDL, if it is
>> > required.?? I agree that driving cross country with a semi rig plated
>> > as a
>> > farm vehicle would probably be asking for it however I wonder how often
>> > it is
>> > done also.
>> >
>> > You do not have to own a farm to get a vehicle plated as a farm
>> > vehicle. A farm
>> > does not have to be incorporated, so there is really no definition for
>> > what a
>> > farm is.
>>
>> Again Negative. Court case law has clearly defined a "Farm" in many
>> cases. It has to be bonafide. It has to have X number of acres "devoted to
>> cultivating the standing products of the soil etc" If you want to believe
>> that this is not so, thats OK until you involved in an accident with phony
>> farm plates. Bye Bye insurance company.
>>
>> > >If it is manufactured as a tractor, and/or has a fifth wheel you need a
>> > Class A CDL.<
>> > Nope, not true. Farm vehicles and the operators of farm vehicles are
>> > expressly
>> > exempted from requiring CDLs. It's right in the Federal Code. Also, a
>> > lot of
>> > Pickup trucks have fifth wheels and they also are not required to have a
>> > CDL to
>> > operate.
>>
>> Again it has to be an actual farm vehicle which can be verified in order to
>> bring in the Farm exemption. Pickup trucks are by definition not tractors
>> under MV codes even with their miniature 5th wheels. If it is a real
>> tractor---Class A.
>>
>> > >But you still must be qualified to
>> > drive what you are using even if it is just for your own personal use.<
>> >
>> > While I agree that everyone "should" be qualified to drive whatever
>> > vehicle they
>> > are in, even a 16 year old kid with a brand new license is fully legally
>> > qualified to drive a 1 ton pickup truck with a 40 foot fifth wheel
>> > camper behind
>> > it. What the law says, and what is common sense is often two different
>> > things.
>>
>> True. Good luck with your MV project. I hope it works out OK.
>>
>> Glenn
>
>
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