RE: [MV] Smoke dischargers. Just demil them with holes.

From: Rikk Rogers (rkltd@swbell.net)
Date: Fri Dec 28 2001 - 07:57:33 PST


Look up the regs on spud guns (declared "not a firearm") maybe you can shame
em into submission.

rikk

-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
Behalf Of Jon Shoop
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [MV] Smoke dischargers. Just demil them with holes.

I agree..it is a ever changing interpretation...some agents would not give
it a second look...others would go to the extreme of removing them entirely
and confiscating them.

To keep in perspective...a mortar tube must be demilled by removal and weld
up of the firing pin and retainer....a hole equal in size to the bore must
be made in the tube as well.....most guys do this and fiberglass it over for
the sake of hiding the big hole in the side.....

Remember..if it is a tube designed to expel a projectile...it can and will
be considered a firearm and must be demilled.....I would think that removing
and welding up the firing pin retainer would suffice......but a hole cut in
the side would be preferable to a full length end mill cut.......easier to
mask...

Just my 2 cents...I will take a look in the reg book today and post any
other info I can find......if you are importing one of these things..you
must be able to recite the regs...just in case the feds are a little cloudy
on the issue...as they often are.....you don't want some buearaucrat having
you do more than that is required, just because he likes it that way or
thinks he knows what is required.

Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike S" <tankcity@globalnet.co.uk>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Smoke dischargers. Just demil them with holes.

> Hi Jim
> The BATF demil regs are constantly changing both in general and for
> specific vehicles. Latest practise is that when you apply for an import
> permit, you have to submit a drawing or photographs of any weapons. ATF
> will issue with a licence for that specific vehicle with demil
instructions
> pertaining to it and to the weapons that you have specified, and marking
the
> required demil on the diagrams you supplied with your application.
> The norm for Ferret/Saracen multi-barrel type smoke dischargers is now
> not only to remove the firing pins and drill out the threads that retain
> them in the base but also to cut a quarter inch slot the full length of
each
> and every smoke discharger barrel. This is a time consuming business and
> results in an unsightly mutilated item. But that's what I believe to be
the
> current law. Others will have no doubt come across different
> interpretations.
> Mike S. UK.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JJ&A" <w7ls@blarg.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:44 AM
> Subject: [MV] Smoke dischargers. Just demil them with holes.
>
>
> > Our Saracen was brought into the country legally with dischargers in
> > place. The BATF regulations say that they have to be demilled. Demilling
> > is accomplished with torch cut holes in the base of the dischargers. I
> > see dischargers on lots of British vehicles. You can't see the demilling
> > unless you hunker down and look hard. Jim
> >
> >
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