From: Glen Bedel (GBedel@designforum.com)
Date: Thu Sep 26 2002 - 10:48:39 PDT
Would the trillionaire be the U.S. working class?( who was never shown what
they were buying by the way)
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron [mailto:rojoha@attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:21 PM
To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
Subject: Re: [MV] M35 CAD Diagram
Damn Mike, you are correct on all counts.
Technology does make things quicker and easier, and when time is of the
essence and lives depend on it, do everything you can to cut corners.
The proof is in the pudding. Hubble Space Telescope, designed and built
using computer modeling and state of the art technologies and when it was
being ground an older engineer who said "This doesn't make sense" and
checked the equation with his slide rule was over ruled (no pun intended)
when the other engineers checked "THE COMPUTER" and said all is well. Helen
Keller Astronomical Observatory is now open for business...
The Mars Polar Lander 'glitch' because of two disparate group of
scientists using different methods, all run through computers to verify that
all the T's are crossed and i's dotted. Oh yeah, nobody actually read what
the other guy entered, cause the compilation program was 'fool proof'.
Amtrak Acela trainsets....add ons and changes made possible by CAD
technology exceed design parameters of suspension components. How did this
happen? The 'criteria' in the program were massaged to change the acceptable
pass/fail criteria of the spring supports. They'll work, but near failure
limits, the 'OLD' limits.
Your confidence on technology allows you to use 'Spell Check' to send
messages saying 'waist' when you meant 'waste'....you say 3000 meters, we
say 3000 feet, close enough I guess as long as you aren't trying to soft
land an interplanetary probe. "But the program verified the numbers
matched", it just wasn't instructed to verify units were the same....
You've been on this list for several weeks, and by now should realize
the M35A2 is a pain to maintain for hobby purposes, and you want to strand
yourself in upper Botswana relying on the fact that your computer analysis
of the design is sound because a stranger you have never met sends you a
file someone put together for savage amusement , just because he bought a $9
program at his local K Mart.
Get real...if you want to go around the world look at some of the other
expeditions and how they have done it, what they used. It's called
MERCEDES....dealer networks world wide, engines and drive trains built like
tanks. Go buy a Mog radio truck and save yourself a bunch of grief.
Hercules multifuel injection pump repair stations are far and few
between outside of the USA. M35 series of trucks are found in quite a few
places around the world because Uncle Sugar GAVE THEM AWAY FOR FREE if they
cut their ties with Uncle Joe's happy bunch. Plus as any car dealer knows,
the show room is a loss leader, but make the obscene profits in the SERVICE
DEPARTMENT possible. You couldn't walk into your local parts store in Cairo
and get parts for your newly acquired M35s. They were items that are
controlled by the State Department. Think our way and don't disagree with us
or else. In the states we would call the system a shakedown and prosecute
under the RICO act. Do it internationally and it's called DIPLOMACY.
Why do I post so often to this group you ask? Because I have no life and
am not bright enough to avoid a hobby where you buy something that a
trillionaire owner decided was too undependable to trust, too expensive to
maintain, and had the HIGH TECHNOLOGY to replace with something, stronger,
cheaper and with higher MTBF rate. Which is why the FMTV was bought and is
over budget, behind schedule and the GAO reported that it would be smarter
to restart the M35A2 production than continue the buy of the FMTV.
Oh, yeah. And because of what technology has made possible, you get to
deal with idiots like me, or not.... Technology allows douche bags like
myself to rant and rave to people world wide.
Ain't technology grand.......
Ronzo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Goodden" <mgmv@auroragroup.co.uk>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] M35 CAD Diagram
> Hi Ron
>
> Well advances in technology generally exist to make things quicker and
> easier. I could just as easily have asked if anyone has any A1 or A0
> schematics that they could post to me so I could work on modifications,
> it amounts to the same difference. I could do either from scratch but
> time is of the essence and if there is a basis out there to work from
> then it would help. The modification that I'm performing could not be
> just done without any planning and whether I plan it on paper and waist
> countless trees with different designs, or perform it on screen with the
> ability to not only make slight modifications to existing designs
> without having to re-draw the entire thing from scratch, but also give
> me the ability to import the designs into other packages to test stress
> points etc that might not be apparent from a basic drawing I consider
> using technology as an advantage to this.
>
> If technology is such a total waist of time, why has so much been
> invested into it and why is it used in almost everything daily. Yes
> great things were done in the 40's and 50's and hence that is why I have
> chosen an M35 for the trip, and hence I still collect Vinal for my
> music, but that doesn't mean that technology now cannot aid. For
> example why do you post so many messages in this group if technology has
> no use?
>
> Thanks to those of you that offered help and encouraging response
> Mike
> ___________________
> Michael Goodden
> The Global Tipi Adventure
> http://www.thetipi.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Sent: 26 September 2002 15:57
> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [MV] M35 CAD Diagram
>
> HUH????
> Damn...does the Mark 1 computer require CAD for thinking up a
> conversion??
> Converting it to what? Accuracy??? Heard of a rule?
> I think the CAD for the M35A2 is on the shelf next to the CADs for
> the
> Model T, B52 and M47, along with other obsolete equipment.
> Boy are we lucky they had CAD in the 40's and 50's or we wouldn't
> now
> have the fine vehicles they built back then. Oh, yeah CAD stood for
> Capable
> Automotive Designer back then. Used things like rules, both slide and
> steel
> and could conceptualize a design using their minds and paper and
> pencils.
> Best find another truck to take around the world, cause you're gonna
> be
> screwed when you run out of extension cords and your sat link and
> plotter
> stop working just as you get a flat or blow a u joint...
> The M35 was designed using old fashioned know how, utilizing off the
> shelf technology modified to fit the requirements of the Military.
> I gotta go work on my deuce now, and I don't use CAD, but use
> the
> Force. Not Obi Wan type, but greasy hands type.
> Maybe you could just go around the world using virtual reality?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Goodden" <mgmv@auroragroup.co.uk>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:41 AM
> Subject: [MV] M35 CAD Diagram
>
>
> > Hi everyone
> >
> > Does anyone know of anybody who has ever created a full CAD diagram
> for
> > a conversion of an M35A2? I'm converting one to take around the world
> > and need to do a full CAD design of it first to ensure accuracy, but
> > need to find a basic truck in CAD (or 3D mesh) to adapt as it will
> take
> > ages to create accurately. .... or if anyone knows any brilliant CAD
> > designers out there that could knock one out quickly that would be
> > useful!!!
> >
> > Many thanks
> > Mike
> > ___________________
> > Michael Goodden
> > The Global Tipi Adventure
> > http://www.thetipi.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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