From: Bruce Beattie (bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu)
Date: Thu Sep 26 2002 - 14:45:36 PDT
I think Ron has a lot of good points here concerning taking this type of vehicle
on a round the world type trip. I think that I have heard warnings on this list
concerning taking things like a Deuce into some countries. You are likely to get
your vehicle confiscated or worse, depending on whether the local military
official had a good time the night before, or NOT.
Bruce MVPA 23824
Ron wrote:
> Damn Mike, you are correct on all counts.
> Technology does make things quicker and easier, and when time is of the
> essence and lives depend on it, do everything you can to cut corners.
> The proof is in the pudding. Hubble Space Telescope, designed and built
> using computer modeling and state of the art technologies and when it was
> being ground an older engineer who said "This doesn't make sense" and
> checked the equation with his slide rule was over ruled (no pun intended)
> when the other engineers checked "THE COMPUTER" and said all is well. Helen
> Keller Astronomical Observatory is now open for business...
> The Mars Polar Lander 'glitch' because of two disparate group of
> scientists using different methods, all run through computers to verify that
> all the T's are crossed and i's dotted. Oh yeah, nobody actually read what
> the other guy entered, cause the compilation program was 'fool proof'.
> Amtrak Acela trainsets....add ons and changes made possible by CAD
> technology exceed design parameters of suspension components. How did this
> happen? The 'criteria' in the program were massaged to change the acceptable
> pass/fail criteria of the spring supports. They'll work, but near failure
> limits, the 'OLD' limits.
> Your confidence on technology allows you to use 'Spell Check' to send
> messages saying 'waist' when you meant 'waste'....you say 3000 meters, we
> say 3000 feet, close enough I guess as long as you aren't trying to soft
> land an interplanetary probe. "But the program verified the numbers
> matched", it just wasn't instructed to verify units were the same....
> You've been on this list for several weeks, and by now should realize
> the M35A2 is a pain to maintain for hobby purposes, and you want to strand
> yourself in upper Botswana relying on the fact that your computer analysis
> of the design is sound because a stranger you have never met sends you a
> file someone put together for savage amusement , just because he bought a $9
> program at his local K Mart.
> Get real...if you want to go around the world look at some of the other
> expeditions and how they have done it, what they used. It's called
> MERCEDES....dealer networks world wide, engines and drive trains built like
> tanks. Go buy a Mog radio truck and save yourself a bunch of grief.
> Hercules multifuel injection pump repair stations are far and few
> between outside of the USA. M35 series of trucks are found in quite a few
> places around the world because Uncle Sugar GAVE THEM AWAY FOR FREE if they
> cut their ties with Uncle Joe's happy bunch. Plus as any car dealer knows,
> the show room is a loss leader, but make the obscene profits in the SERVICE
> DEPARTMENT possible. You couldn't walk into your local parts store in Cairo
> and get parts for your newly acquired M35s. They were items that are
> controlled by the State Department. Think our way and don't disagree with us
> or else. In the states we would call the system a shakedown and prosecute
> under the RICO act. Do it internationally and it's called DIPLOMACY.
> Why do I post so often to this group you ask? Because I have no life and
> am not bright enough to avoid a hobby where you buy something that a
> trillionaire owner decided was too undependable to trust, too expensive to
> maintain, and had the HIGH TECHNOLOGY to replace with something, stronger,
> cheaper and with higher MTBF rate. Which is why the FMTV was bought and is
> over budget, behind schedule and the GAO reported that it would be smarter
> to restart the M35A2 production than continue the buy of the FMTV.
>
> Oh, yeah. And because of what technology has made possible, you get to
> deal with idiots like me, or not.... Technology allows douche bags like
> myself to rant and rave to people world wide.
>
> Ain't technology grand.......
>
> Ronzo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Goodden" <mgmv@auroragroup.co.uk>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] M35 CAD Diagram
>
> > Hi Ron
> >
> > Well advances in technology generally exist to make things quicker and
> > easier. I could just as easily have asked if anyone has any A1 or A0
> > schematics that they could post to me so I could work on modifications,
> > it amounts to the same difference. I could do either from scratch but
> > time is of the essence and if there is a basis out there to work from
> > then it would help. The modification that I'm performing could not be
> > just done without any planning and whether I plan it on paper and waist
> > countless trees with different designs, or perform it on screen with the
> > ability to not only make slight modifications to existing designs
> > without having to re-draw the entire thing from scratch, but also give
> > me the ability to import the designs into other packages to test stress
> > points etc that might not be apparent from a basic drawing I consider
> > using technology as an advantage to this.
> >
> > If technology is such a total waist of time, why has so much been
> > invested into it and why is it used in almost everything daily. Yes
> > great things were done in the 40's and 50's and hence that is why I have
> > chosen an M35 for the trip, and hence I still collect Vinal for my
> > music, but that doesn't mean that technology now cannot aid. For
> > example why do you post so many messages in this group if technology has
> > no use?
> >
> > Thanks to those of you that offered help and encouraging response
> > Mike
> > ___________________
> > Michael Goodden
> > The Global Tipi Adventure
> > http://www.thetipi.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
> > Behalf Of Ron
> > Sent: 26 September 2002 15:57
> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [MV] M35 CAD Diagram
> >
> > HUH????
> > Damn...does the Mark 1 computer require CAD for thinking up a
> > conversion??
> > Converting it to what? Accuracy??? Heard of a rule?
> > I think the CAD for the M35A2 is on the shelf next to the CADs for
> > the
> > Model T, B52 and M47, along with other obsolete equipment.
> > Boy are we lucky they had CAD in the 40's and 50's or we wouldn't
> > now
> > have the fine vehicles they built back then. Oh, yeah CAD stood for
> > Capable
> > Automotive Designer back then. Used things like rules, both slide and
> > steel
> > and could conceptualize a design using their minds and paper and
> > pencils.
> > Best find another truck to take around the world, cause you're gonna
> > be
> > screwed when you run out of extension cords and your sat link and
> > plotter
> > stop working just as you get a flat or blow a u joint...
> > The M35 was designed using old fashioned know how, utilizing off the
> > shelf technology modified to fit the requirements of the Military.
> > I gotta go work on my deuce now, and I don't use CAD, but use
> > the
> > Force. Not Obi Wan type, but greasy hands type.
> > Maybe you could just go around the world using virtual reality?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Goodden" <mgmv@auroragroup.co.uk>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:41 AM
> > Subject: [MV] M35 CAD Diagram
> >
> >
> > > Hi everyone
> > >
> > > Does anyone know of anybody who has ever created a full CAD diagram
> > for
> > > a conversion of an M35A2? I'm converting one to take around the world
> > > and need to do a full CAD design of it first to ensure accuracy, but
> > > need to find a basic truck in CAD (or 3D mesh) to adapt as it will
> > take
> > > ages to create accurately. .... or if anyone knows any brilliant CAD
> > > designers out there that could knock one out quickly that would be
> > > useful!!!
> > >
> > > Many thanks
> > > Mike
> > > ___________________
> > > Michael Goodden
> > > The Global Tipi Adventure
> > > http://www.thetipi.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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