From: Gundocmike (gundocmike@okplus.com)
Date: Fri Oct 11 2002 - 10:08:38 PDT
Thank you GLEN, I was getting very tired of this issue.
Thanks,
Michael Breedlove
'71 AM Gen M151A2
Looking for GOOD M416 near
Oklahoma or North Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Bedel" <GBedel@designforum.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
> This is not a political forum....please its a MV info mailing list, please
> take this conversation offline....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve & Jeanne Keith [mailto:cckw@attbi.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:04 PM
> To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
>
>
>
>
> He was wrong, period! You may disagree.
>
> He fought for freedom.
> Freedom to do paintball,
> Freedom to vote,
> Freedom to not have to sit in the back of the bus
> etc.
>
> Last time I checked, paintbal is not illegal. He has opinions
> You have yours, I have mine. We are all different, and all the same
> too. The Freedom to choose is what our veterans served and
> fought for. He may not like it, you may not like it, hell I may not
> like it. But that is what our veterans served and fought to preserve.
>
> I for one think honoring our vets with restored HMVs is one small
> thing I can do. Most people do nothing or worse. Our vetrerans
> are looked at in this modern society as old men with stories or
> young men who are dumb for not persuing big $$ in society.
>
> You say teach history, which is right. Teaching the origins of
> wars is part of that and gives insight as to how societies get
> themselves into those horrific situations. Once you see how
> wars start; the reasons, the little things that could have been
> done differently, you will have a different perspective on how
> leaders, past and present got different countries into war through
> inaction, whishful thinking, malice, etc.
>
> Dave: I don't think you and I disagree on this.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
> >
> >
> > > The Vet was right but you misunderstood his feelings his concept of
> dying
> > > for freedom is something you obviously have been spared it has nothing
> to
> > do
> > > with what you can and can not do but what others can do to you because
> > they
> > > do not like your ethnic background or beliefs. And you do not teach War
> > you
> > > teach History and you do not need to dress up and carry guns to do that.
> > And
> > > paintball is just more war games and it serves no purpose except to
> prove
> > > that many reenact war as recreation for fun and sport.
> > > If the guns were real and you had to bury your dead friends at the end
> of
> > > the day your feelings on freedom would be much more like the Vets He
> > > probably felt playing war was as dangerous as fighting one even if the
> > > outcome was different and that he fought and his friends died so no one
> > > would have go to war again.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve & Jeanne Keith" <cckw@attbi.com>
> > > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dave Ball" <vought@msn.com>
> > > > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:13 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [MV] Reenactors have no right!!! unless they were there
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > why in the hell do
> > > > > you think my Dad went to Europe just so you could find his uniform
> put
> > > it
> > > > on
> > > > > and let a whole bunch of Germans play war and chase you around for
> > > > children
> > > > > to watch I do not think
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > A number of years ago, a local M38 owner who was also a WW2 vet went
> to
> > a
> > > > Planning
> > > > Board meeting that I attended. They were reviewing plans for a
> paintball
> > > > facility. The neighbors
> > > > were concerned about traffic and noise. There was some concern about
> the
> > > > paint itself on the
> > > > environment too. The vet stood up and stated 'that he did not fight in
> > WW2
> > > > so that someone
> > > > could run around in the woods shooting paintballs at each other...'
> > > >
> > > > I felt so sad that he fought in a war that could have killed him and
> yet
> > > he
> > > > had absolutely NO
> > > > concept of what he was fighting for!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > I think you need to listen to what you are saying we do not need to
> > > teach
> > > > > our children about War
> > > >
> > > > We definately need to teach War in my humble opinion! If you teach
> war,
> > > and
> > > > how they start, how horrible they are and how they affect the average
> > > > person,
> > > > you will be teaching children how to both cherish what our Vets have
> > given
> > > > us
> > > > and how to protect it. Teach War and you will learn about Peace...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All my WW2 HMVs (that this applies to) have the marking of the 291st
> > > Combat
> > > > Engineers. They built the Bridge at Remargen and they stayed behind at
> > the
> > > > Battle
> > > > of the Bulge to blow bridges and therby hault one of the German
> > > spearheads.
> > > > My
> > > > HMVs are marked (and I explain this to people) to honor these very
> brave
> > > > men.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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