From: Patrick Jankowiak (eccm@swbell.net)
Date: Wed Mar 12 2003 - 22:26:25 PST
There's nothing wrong with it as a commerce site, except the microsoft
commerce stuff, which as there configured, makes it hard to get to the
link you want unless your web browser drops its pants.
It would be easy to have a separate directory outside the commerce
site's directory which does not require cookies (or java -a means to
offload processing and controls, without permission, onto the user's
PC, said processing which should be done on the server instead), and
goes right to the MV stuff without putting you in the 'storefront'
every time.
Oh well I made my opinions, probably get told off for it. Maybe, maybe
not. If the worst thing we have to deal with is a web site where we
don't like the way it works, it ain't really so bad.
Did you get right to the article when you turned cookies on, or was
there another issue? I am curious.
SGT PJ
fred@militaryvehicle.org wrote:
>
> I must say that John Adams-Graf responded to my posts yesterday and was very
> understanding and accommodating. A good guy, But in my opinion their site
> still su-_cs!
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Jankowiak" <eccm@swbell.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Military Vehicle Events Calendar, 2003
>
> | Here is the sarcastic explanation.
> |
> | Just turn on cookies if you want the article and don't want to read my
> | geeky crap.
> |
> | If you want to see how you are possibly being spied upon, read on.
> |
> | Look at the 'clever' url you end up at (yours will be different of
> | course, are 'per computer' and 'per session'):
> |
> | with my DOD-compliant Netscape version:
> |
> | --plain browser, cokies disabled:
> |
> "http://www.collect.com/default.asp?MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464
> 5BCFA23C6D1A03F5D04317FD01D2C9CD5F5E779C646B870128E7C7349390D296DFCF1E867A716ED3
> F752A4F77034636945906A58A29319D7006608F7208A65EAB683541E29471EAE955E43B82A7BA116
> 491B00681AC2834A893A50323BB9CB9AE2BBEC65AB9061B7CE80C261EFA0272E6CF7CAE7224F7C0E
> "
> |
> | --refresh with java and no cookies, still no MV story:
> |
> http://www.collect.com/default.asp?MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464C
> A207BA7FDA37F3065EDB582EF29D0FE82AD3589D9AA1FC58A20D5AF481829048B9D2487F704B5084
> 97F4A0B6CE71EF14A3E5CDF914188813F6CA591826249960E8D60DA2DC40244FF211BA4D172C5270
> C09BB3AA4BD9A4B7A0454CE800E92B4783D50B64F9F19D04CE44797A2D0B5D73EF35E1BDBDED657
> |
> | --The MSCSProfile is a minion of satan, er.. Microsoft. "Commerce
> | Server uses MSCSProfile tickets to identify and track anonymous users
> | who visit your site. MSCSProfile tickets are stored in persistent
> | cookies for users who allow persistent cookies. If users do not allow
> | persistent cookies, the MSCSProfile ticket is encoded in the URL (as
> | above --ed.). When an MSCSProfile ticket is stored in a persistent
> | cookie, you can determine how long the MSCSProfile ticket is valid,
> | typically several years..."
> |
> | --More info on MSCSProfile at
> |
> "http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/csvr2002/htm/c
> s_se_authentication_chnv.asp"
> |
> | --Now, if you enable COOKIES and Java, you get the MV page.
> | http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492&cookie%5Ftest=1
> |
> | --COOKIES alone, you still get the MV page:
> | http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492
> |
> | See how thenURLs are different? Ok, so why are cookies needed?
> | information collected? Cookies are a form of small file that a site
> | can place on your PC to track your UID and session, that is, to tell
> | the website servers where you, yourself, on your particular computer,
> | have been.
> |
> | let's see.. who is identifying what session and collecting what
> | information here.. I object. How annoying. Evil! Satan begone!! Out
> | filthy devil!!
> |
> | By the way, if I were running a web business, I would not be using
> | microsoft programs, they are extremely vulnerable to hacks and worms
> | of all kinds! Use OpenVMS for B1 security, and if it is too costly, at
> | least use UNIX.
> |
> | PJ
> |
> |
> |
> | fred@militaryvehicle.org wrote:
> | >
> | > John This is one of my pet peeves, and I've been derided on the list about
> it
> | > more than once. Especially when they thought I was the bad Fred's only
> | > partially evil (but much cleaner) twin, so here goes. By way of constructive
> | > criticism...............................
> | > Your site is just terrible
> | > It never works
> | > The links that you included in your post bring me to the same page which has
> | > nothing, zero to do with military vehicles. I don't know if it is because
> I'm
> | > not a subscriber, or what
> | > I've never had any success with your site and have come to routinely ignore
> it.
> | > If you know why this is, please post it.
> | >
> | > Regards
> | > Fred
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Adams-Graf, John" <grafj@krause.com>
> | > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> | > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:17 AM
> | > Subject: [MV] Military Vehicle Events Calendar, 2003
> | >
> | > Thanks for the bandwidth, guys. I have posted a complete schedule of
> military
> | > vehicles events on our website. This should take you directly to the page:
> | >
> | > http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492
> | >
> | > If that doesn't work, it is listed as one of the articles at:
> | >
> | > www.militaryvehiclesmagazine.com
> | >
> | > If you notice that your club's event is not listed, drop me an email at:
> | >
> | > grafj@krause.com
> | >
> | > I will be happy to add it to the calendar!
> | >
> | > Thanks,
> | > John A-G
> | > editor, MVM
> | >
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