From: fred@militaryvehicle.org
Date: Wed Mar 12 2003 - 16:47:49 PST
I must say that John Adams-Graf responded to my posts yesterday and was very
understanding and accommodating. A good guy, But in my opinion their site
still su-_cs!
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Jankowiak" <eccm@swbell.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Military Vehicle Events Calendar, 2003
| Here is the sarcastic explanation.
|
| Just turn on cookies if you want the article and don't want to read my
| geeky crap.
|
| If you want to see how you are possibly being spied upon, read on.
|
| Look at the 'clever' url you end up at (yours will be different of
| course, are 'per computer' and 'per session'):
|
| with my DOD-compliant Netscape version:
|
| --plain browser, cokies disabled:
|
"http://www.collect.com/default.asp?MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464
5BCFA23C6D1A03F5D04317FD01D2C9CD5F5E779C646B870128E7C7349390D296DFCF1E867A716ED3
F752A4F77034636945906A58A29319D7006608F7208A65EAB683541E29471EAE955E43B82A7BA116
491B00681AC2834A893A50323BB9CB9AE2BBEC65AB9061B7CE80C261EFA0272E6CF7CAE7224F7C0E
"
|
| --refresh with java and no cookies, still no MV story:
|
http://www.collect.com/default.asp?MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464C
A207BA7FDA37F3065EDB582EF29D0FE82AD3589D9AA1FC58A20D5AF481829048B9D2487F704B5084
97F4A0B6CE71EF14A3E5CDF914188813F6CA591826249960E8D60DA2DC40244FF211BA4D172C5270
C09BB3AA4BD9A4B7A0454CE800E92B4783D50B64F9F19D04CE44797A2D0B5D73EF35E1BDBDED657
|
| --The MSCSProfile is a minion of satan, er.. Microsoft. "Commerce
| Server uses MSCSProfile tickets to identify and track anonymous users
| who visit your site. MSCSProfile tickets are stored in persistent
| cookies for users who allow persistent cookies. If users do not allow
| persistent cookies, the MSCSProfile ticket is encoded in the URL (as
| above --ed.). When an MSCSProfile ticket is stored in a persistent
| cookie, you can determine how long the MSCSProfile ticket is valid,
| typically several years..."
|
| --More info on MSCSProfile at
|
"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/csvr2002/htm/c
s_se_authentication_chnv.asp"
|
| --Now, if you enable COOKIES and Java, you get the MV page.
| http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492&cookie%5Ftest=1
|
| --COOKIES alone, you still get the MV page:
| http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492
|
| See how thenURLs are different? Ok, so why are cookies needed?
| information collected? Cookies are a form of small file that a site
| can place on your PC to track your UID and session, that is, to tell
| the website servers where you, yourself, on your particular computer,
| have been.
|
| let's see.. who is identifying what session and collecting what
| information here.. I object. How annoying. Evil! Satan begone!! Out
| filthy devil!!
|
| By the way, if I were running a web business, I would not be using
| microsoft programs, they are extremely vulnerable to hacks and worms
| of all kinds! Use OpenVMS for B1 security, and if it is too costly, at
| least use UNIX.
|
| PJ
|
|
|
| fred@militaryvehicle.org wrote:
| >
| > John This is one of my pet peeves, and I've been derided on the list about
it
| > more than once. Especially when they thought I was the bad Fred's only
| > partially evil (but much cleaner) twin, so here goes. By way of constructive
| > criticism...............................
| > Your site is just terrible
| > It never works
| > The links that you included in your post bring me to the same page which has
| > nothing, zero to do with military vehicles. I don't know if it is because
I'm
| > not a subscriber, or what
| > I've never had any success with your site and have come to routinely ignore
it.
| > If you know why this is, please post it.
| >
| > Regards
| > Fred
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Adams-Graf, John" <grafj@krause.com>
| > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
| > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:17 AM
| > Subject: [MV] Military Vehicle Events Calendar, 2003
| >
| > Thanks for the bandwidth, guys. I have posted a complete schedule of
military
| > vehicles events on our website. This should take you directly to the page:
| >
| > http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=6492
| >
| > If that doesn't work, it is listed as one of the articles at:
| >
| > www.militaryvehiclesmagazine.com
| >
| > If you notice that your club's event is not listed, drop me an email at:
| >
| > grafj@krause.com
| >
| > I will be happy to add it to the calendar!
| >
| > Thanks,
| > John A-G
| > editor, MVM
| >
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