RE: [MV] Landing Mats on a Dirt Slope For Deuce Parking...

From: Doc Scheffler (roughdoc@earthlink.net)
Date: Tue Jun 10 2003 - 18:53:46 PDT


Waterways Experiment Station in Vicksburg MS has done lots of studies over
the past decades on different types of matting and vehicles to transit
unimproved areas. They have samples of what must be dozens of different PSP
type matting for dirt, mud, swamps, etc. They also have a very interesting
collection of "tracked" vehicles that displace so little ground pressure
that they can drive places that people can't walk.

It's an interesting visit if you are in the area.

Of course the model of the plan to keep Niagra Falls on the US is a must
stop too!

Doc

-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org]On
Behalf Of Jim Newton
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:27 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] Landing Mats on a Dirt Slope For Deuce Parking...

Hi Jess...

Yes, you're right. Boy, every time I post on the MV list I learn
EVERYTHING about the topic!

Yes, it is called landing mat, PSP ("pierced steel planks"), and
Marsten or Marston matting.

My local source has a HUGE pile of it for $20 per piece. It is rusty,
but quite useable and in excellent condition...in fact, most of it
looks unused and there are bundles of 20 pieces still banded together.
A few pieces are torch cut, but not very many (only 4 or 5 that I
saw). The yard is located in Redwood City, CA (in the SF Bay Area).
Let me know if you want the contact info. Just leave me a bundle of
20 pieces for my project! ;) Here are some pictures I took today of
the pile (sorry for the poor image quality...I took them with the
built-in camera in my Palm Zire 71):

  http://www.ikessurplus.com/psp/

Should I pack a bunch up in the deuce and bring it to the
Hornet/Woodson shows and sell it to you all (for a small finder's fee
and delivery charge)?

Thanks.

>Tom and Ike
>I think you are talking about Marsten Mats..
>I have a friend that has some for sale..
>they make great extra plates on the
>front of a sherman or side of a duece,
>the mats are 10 feet long and about 2
>foot wide.. you could just about cut one
>in half to make a cool place to park your
>jeep. kinda look like this:
>-------------------------------------------------------
>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Gary Haas of Arrowhead Chapter MVPA
>near Fort Worth Texas has them for
>sale $50 for one, or $40 ea. for 2
>or more....shipping is extra.
>Photo available upon request..
>Contact Gary at gary.f.haas@lmco.com
>or johaas@swbell.net if interested.
>Jess Minton
>42 GPW
>Arlington, TX
>
>
>
>At 05:48 PM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>>Jim,
>>
>>The landing mats are called "PSP". Pierced Steel Planks. They are put
>>together with a common Peevee, normally used with rolling logs. We used
>>them in the Engineer Aviation Bn,s. Haven't seen PSP for a long while.
>>What price range are they now ???
>>
>>During my 43 years in the military, I was assigned often in early 1951 -
>>1953, to put down 1000 + ft or more & remove after them after supply
planes
>>landed on them. After being bent, they are terrible to get apart.
During
>>1959 to 1967 we used them on areas that had no roads yet. That caused
them
>>to become so bent up, they were scrapped.
>>
>>Be aware, that they become quite slippery when wet & mud can also cause
>>slippage. It is possible to install it upside down & use the sharper
>>edging to give traction. Upside down will be a major event to get them
>>apart.
>>
>>Tom McHugh, NJ
>>1952 M38A1
>>M-416 Trailer
>>MVPA, MTA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jim Newton" <jnewton@laurel.com>
>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:40 PM
>>Subject: [MV] Landing Mats on a Dirt Slope For Deuce Parking...
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi List...
>>
>>OK, here's a weird question, or actually a request for comments.
>>Thousands of MVC brains is better than one!
>>
>>My family may be moving into a new larger house in the same town (the
>>kids are growing too fast). The house has a great view of the SF bay
>>area and a huge shop.
>>
>>It has a lot more parking space than our current house, so the deuce
>>could get its own permanent space in the driveway. Yay! No more
>>pissed neighbors because of the deuce that roams the neighborhood
>>every 72 hours in search of a new parking space! ;)
>>
>>But, it could get even better. This new house has a hill that goes
>>from the front driveway down next to the house into the back yard.
>>The area is about 20' wide and is about a 20-degree slope. This area
>>isn't suitable for a normal vehicle parking space, and is not used for
>>anything...is is bare dirt and too steep for any other use. So I was
>>thinking about parking the deuce there, on the slope, out of the way,
>>making use of otherwise wasted land. Otherwise I would have to park
>>the deuce up on the driveway and it would be in plain sight.
>>
>>I'm not concerned about the slope as far as the deuce rolling out of
>>control because I will put large railroad tie stops at the bottom of
>>the space, pinned in place with steel rods driven deep into the dirt,
>>and back the deuce down right to the stops. That will make it easier
>>to drive it back up onto the driveway. Even without the parking
>>brakes, the deuce would be held from any possibility of rolling. The
>>slope is about a 35.5% grade, and the deuce is rated for a maximum 60%
>>grade, so it can definitely handle the climb in and out of the spot.
>>
>>I have local access to a huge pile of very rusty steel military
>>landing mats (similar to these:
>>www.i10surplus.com/graphics/product11_fullsize.jpg) for just the scrap
>>steel price. I was thinking about laying about 30 of these landing
>>mats on the hill and interlocking them into a strip down the whole
>>hill and wide enough for the deuce, then pinning them into place with
>>steel rebar to keep them from sliding or shifting. I could then park
>>the deuce on them and even if the dirt got muddy I could still drive
>>the deuce up and out without ripping up the dirt hill. I could even
>>erect a canopy over this area to protect and obscure the deuce.
>>
>>Has anyone every done something like this with landing mats, or have
>>any suggestions or comments?
>>
>>Parking the deuce on this slope would put the deuce low and behind the
>>fence and out of sight from the street and the house. This means
>>happy neighbors and happy wife! ;)
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>--
>>
>>Jim "Ike" Newton
>>
>> o 1984 M1007 CUCV Military Suburban
>> 6.2 Liter (378 CID) Turbo-Diesel Engine
>> 5/4 Ton Cargo Capacity, 4WD
>>
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>> Air Shift Front Axle
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Jim "Ike" Newton

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o 1971 M35A2 Military Troop/Cargo Truck "Deuce and a Half" 478 CID Turbo-Diesel Multi-Fuel Engine Air Shift Front Axle 2 1/2 Ton Cargo Capacity, 6WD

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