Re: [MV] A little MV content but more on "Big Brother"

From: Ray Fougnier (rfougnier@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Feb 23 2004 - 15:43:02 PST


You could pull just one 5 amp fuse and it would never remember
anything. Only problem is that it will lose the adaptive tables used to
accommodate wear and component variability. This would mean that every
time you start the car, it would have to re-learn all of it. The newer
trannys would shift hard for a few miles, and emissions would be a
little high until that process completed.

Unfortunately, that fuse would not cover every module on the car, so
there could be data someplace that you don't want it, like the air bag
module, since they all talk to each other. Scary.

rertman@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>The renter in CT got that dismissed because car rental companies are not
>law enforcement agencies and cannot asses a fine for speeding.
>
>As for the "black box" functions in privately owned new cars, I'm sure
>someone will come up with a way to defeat the data acquisition and/or
>erase the memory with a button on the dash and the box's memory will
>stay blank.
>
>Dick
>
>Glenn Shaw wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Dave
>>For several years now unknown to most people the computers in OBDII
>>vehicles have been able to act as a "black box" of sorts. No one knew
>>about it until some smart lawyers began requesting the info from the
>>crash vehicle under discovery. Once people found out about it there was
>>a big stink brewing and now the vehicle manufacturers are actually
>>telling people about it. Criminal and Civil lawyers will be requesting
>>the info as a matter of course now in all major prosecutions. The
>>biggest thing is it records the speed leading up until just before air
>>bag deployment. You can see where that will have a predictable effect
>>in court.
>>
>>By the way, in regard to the rental vehicle, when you disconnect the
>>system or antenna it immediately causes an alert which results in them
>>assessing the fine for that too.
>>
>>MV content: We don't have to worry about it in our M151 :)
>>
>>Later
>>Glenn
>>M151
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
>>Behalf Of David Cole
>>Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 10:02 PM
>>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [MV] NO MV but more on "Big Brother"
>>
>>I recently bought a new Ford Excursion. It says in the manual that the
>>computer tracks time, distance, speed, max speed, etc for some period of
>>
>>time and it warns that this information could be extracted by law
>>enforcement officials if needed. Definite hints of Big Brother.
>>
>>I wasn't too happy about that warning.
>>
>>Dave
>>
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