From: paul carrier (paulc@teleport.com)
Date: Thu Jul 01 2004 - 14:52:38 PDT
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> At 12:13 PM -0700 7/1/04, paul carrier wrote:
> >
> >Most commands hold the go to war NBC suits and atropine
> >at theater depot level. Same with filters for masks.
> >And the stocks held were much less than what should have
> >been considering SOP's and the "book" rate of replacement.
>
> A book that was essentially a postmortem of the Gulf War NBC snafu
> talked about all this in great detail. There were many units that
> didn't have enough masks and filters due to some combination of use
> of the funds for other purposes.
Do you happen to remmeber the name of that book ?
Replacement filters would fall under class IX monies.
Masks are class VII but would be purchased with the moines from
a units class II budget. That's why my last unit had some serious
ERC A shortages. We just couldn't afford to buy them.
> Some of it was downright scary. One incident involved an NBC training
> officer going over AutoInjector use with a Staff officer that walked
> into the training. Problem was the practice unit the Officer handed
> over to the NBC officer for a demonstration wasn't a practice unit.
> He'd pulled out a real one...the NBC training officer managed to
> demonstrate the use of the Auto-injector for a crowd of Staff in
> orbit around this general and the rest of the folks
> present...needless to say, he went to lay down after the surprise....
I hope he went to see the medics, atropine is as dangerious as the
nerve agent if there has not been exposure to nerve agent.
> >Ammo is under a different fund cite. And most years we don't
> >get what the TRADOC STRAC manual says we should get for training.
> >In the last year my BN had to postpone IWQ to give our allotment
> >for that quarter to a unit that deployed.
>
> Clearly you chaps weren't going according to the supply system and
> you should have held on to your ammo per the rules right? ;-)
We argued to keep it. But when your allocation is pulled it's gone.
> >CAMS are still in short supply, the facility on post is the DOD
> >rebuild site for DOD. They are running 2 shifts and could run a third
> >if there were CAMS to rebuild at that rate.
>
> The use of the CAMs with the triggers turned on was a big problem CAM
> batteries were used constantly rather than for spot checks.
IIRC they can be wired to operate from a vehicle batt.
> >8 hours of exposure to a known chemical agent.
> >And they do degrade after opening. But they
>
> Yep, used to be you open the saratoga suit and discard the suit in 7
> days if it hadn't been exposed to NBC agents.
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