From: M151 (m151@cox.net)
Date: Wed Nov 17 2004 - 19:53:33 PST
I have seen the bad end that an M113 can come to. It is not pretty. They
burn quite easily, those older ones growing weeds even more so. If you had
ever had to fish through what was left of one looking for personal items
from a buddy, chipping out the melted aluminum as you go, you would
understand. They are easily defeated by just about any mine short of a
simple toe popper. Troops used to ride on top of them rather than inside
because they thought it safer to take fire than be trapped in an explosion!
Fifty cals whistle right through or create spalling on the inside from
impact. That is when things fly off the inside of the hull from the impact
of a projectile on the outside. If you have not seen it with your own eyes,
or worse yet smelled the aftermath then you just can't understand.
I have no personal experience with the Humvee armor so can not speak to it,
we were still driving the Mutts when I was in.
Just my own 2 cents worth drawn from practical experience.
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David Brubaker
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davidsen" <mike@aspirationsoftware.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] HUMVEE hit a land mine in Iraq.
>
>> Our boys need Casspirs or their equivalents for their patrol work. Those
>> are mine resistant and optimized for what they're doing over there.
>> HMMWVs are not even close to right.
>>
>> http://www.sfu.ca/casr/mp-mrv.htm
>
> Hell, our boys would be better driving around the sandbox in a bunch of
> old M113 tracks, but half of them are growing coral off the coast of
> Florida. The other half are sitting idle stateside in armories, waiting
> for a calling. I think they'd be much better suited against light
> anti-vehicle mines than the Humvees are. Mind you, the -113s are NOT
> suited to dealing with anti-tank mines, but hey, a little more armor is
> better than none. The up-armored Humvee was designed to help stop bullets
> from AKs and RPG-7 rockets from the top or sides, not mine blasts from
> underneath.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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