Steve, your right on track with what you almost say. Yes they are fanatics, they (muslims) have been fighting since the beginning of time. I agree with you if you could say that. Countermeasures are exactly that, a response to what is happening. All we have to do it get to the bottom of the barrel and then there wont be anymore, but, they keep recruiting them so we will just have to keep at it.
To say that the Iraqi had an Army is pathetic. They had a mob of men in the same clothes.
I will give you your right to say whatever you want in public. But I do not have to like it.
I think your way off base with your thinking.
Cliff Smith SSgt USMC Iraq
From: "Steve Grammont" <islander@midmaine.com> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> Subject: Re: [MV] Improvised armor for MV in Iraq Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:52:50 -0500 Hi Glenn, >They are satisfied that it is a good countermeasure, but like >everything else there will always be something that comes along that changes >the balance. Which is something everybody should keep in mind. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is foolproof. That is true in general life but especially true on the battlefield. No matter what counter measures are employed, the bombings will continue and people (military and civilian) will be killed and seriously maimed. This is as true in Israel as it is Iraq or Afghanistan. The interesting thing is how various forces have worked around US/NATO superiority of weapons, training, and
organization. A relative handful of Insurgents, for example, have killed and maimed far more "enemy" soldiers, equipment, and support networks than the entire Iraqi Armed Forces did (to say the least). This is a fairly effective counter measure to the conventional force we, and other "1st world" nations, field if the desired outcome is to stall progress, cause casualties, and maintain influence over what happens locally. It is not good enough to figure out a counter measure to the Insurgent's current tactics. We instead need to figure out a way of defeating THEM and not just their combat method de jour. Armor kits, jammers, eyes in the sky, costly urban warfare, etc. aren't going to get us to there. These people are fanatics and certainly won't give up even if we do trump them on the battlefield. Instead they will likely come up with something else to hit us with. At best counter
measures can keep some more people from getting killed/wounded while we figure out how to actually win the peace. Steve ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org> To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org> To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org>