From: Mil-Veh Co. (milveh@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue Jan 11 2005 - 10:45:01 PST
As a former county Chairman for the GOP and a member
of the state central committee, I can assure you its
better to do what you can to remove bad laws.
Legislators truly need your help.
I know we can't fight every battle and be aware of all
the thousands of news laws passed in our respective
states every year; but when we do come across a law
encroaches on our turf, (this time in the area of the
Second Amendment) then we ought to rattle some cages.
I say fax your state legislator and complain, but do
it in a rational, succinct and respectful manner.
(A fax is the proven best way to voice your concern.)
417.2 PC, is so poorly written that its hard to define
the sub-sections and it omits the displaying of
replica weapons at military vehicle events...thats a
big problem for many of us.
Silence from the masses is often taken for cooperation
leading to encouragement for government to continue
down that certain path. If we don't like that path,
its up to us to apply the brakes. As someone once
said, vigilance is one of the obligations of freedom.
--- Darrell Ramsell <daram@comcast.net> wrote:
> (3) For use in a certified or regulated
> athletic event or competition.
>
> I agree this is very vague. I always wondered who
> did the certifications
> and regulations? I take it as any official
> organizations that has it's own
> rules and regulation.
>
> For those of you who want to know more about
> California laws in regards to
> imitation fire arms here are two main links.
>
> The primary law regulating this is Penal Code 417.2
>
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/99-00/bill/asm/ab_2051-2100/ab_2053_bill_20000901_chaptered.html
>
> Another relating law that expanded on this is SB
> 1858
> http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/imit.htm
> The primary intention of this law was to allow law
> enforcement to take a way
> toy guns that were in appropriately displayed in
> public.
>
> Over all I wouldn't be too concerned about law
> enforcement taking away your
> replica fire arms as long as you're not displaying
> them in a menacing
> manner.
>
> I play with airsoft guns on a monthly basis and have
> never had any problems.
> We even play with these on National Forest and BLM
> land. Of course we
> always notify the local Rangers or BLM office in
> advance of our presence and
> have had no problems it the 8 years I have been
> doing this.
>
> (For those of you who don't know what an airsoft gun
> is. They are air or
> gas powered BB guns designed to be use against other
> people in a
> recreational manner like paint ball. Just about all
> of them look just like
> real firearms. Here is a picture of one that I
> have.
> http://ImageEvent.com/wharris19/m249 Thanks again
> Wayne!)
>
> On top of this, I think California has more airsoft
> stores than any other
> state in the U.S.
>
> So as long as you use and display them in a
> responsible manner, there should
> be no problem. However, I usually carry a copy of
> the law just in case you
> run into that one officer who isn't well informed.
>
> Darrell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mil-Veh Co." <milveh@sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Cal. 50 and Calif. laws
>
>
> > Darrell, do you see where it's ok to have the
> replica
> > on your MV... if your club is having military
> vehicle
> > show?
> >
> > Here are a couple of not-so-briliant ideas to
> qualify
> > to display your ol replica, non-firing piece of
> > plastic/metal that ONLY looks like a gun at 30
> feet...
> > without being thrown into the gulag.
> >
> > 1. Maybe we should include coed wrestling or
> hammer
> > throwing in order to qualify as an athletic event?
> >
> > (Wondering what school in Calif. is going to want
> a
> > weapons display? Reform school? My grandson can't
> > even draw a picture of a gun at his public school
> or
> > he is suspended.)
> >
> > 2. I got it, maybe if we had air-raid drills with
> our
> > MV events we could qualify? Now there's a civil
> > defense activity! (Anybody got an air raid siren?
> lol
> > )]
> >
> > ANYBODY ELSE GOT AN IDEA HOW TO BE LEGAL IN CALIF?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Darrell Ramsell <daram@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> There are exemptions to this.
> >>
> >> (1) Solely for export in interstate or
> foreign
> >> commerce.
> >>
> >> (2) Solely for lawful use in theatrical
> >> productions, including motion
> >> pictures, television, and stage productions.
> >>
> >> (3) For use in a certified or regulated
> >> athletic event or competition.
> >>
> >> (4) For use in military or civil defense
> >> activities.
> >>
> >> (5) For public display authorized by public
> or
> >> private schools.
> >>
> >
> >
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