From: Mil-Veh Co. (milveh@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue Mar 29 2005 - 23:24:56 PST
I see the TOS at GL has been changed since I was an
early customer. Actaully I think its been changed
frequently to cover every screw up as they go. There
is now 16 divisions containing 5337 words.
At the time I registered I doubt half that stuff was
in there. But, somehow GL is able to hold you to it,
even though they modified the contract to close loop
holes after the fact. Thats NOT nice nor in my humble
opinion legal, yet another reason to distrust these
creeps.
--- Wayne Harris <papercu@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You wrote "I was totally unaware of that GL policy
> about not being able to
> use this option or else! GL's response was its in
> the TOS, more like it's
> buried somewhere in the pages of TOS!"
>
> I don't know if I would mention that part, if you
> plan on presenting your
> case to your elected officials, while I'm not a
> lawyer I do have a
> extensive background of watching Judge Judy, Judge
> Joe Brown, the Texas guy
> and the like :-)) and as soon as you tell them, Well
> I signed the contract
> but I didn't read it, you hear them say case
> dismissed!
>
> As far as I know on writing on a contract you can
> put anything you like in
> one and it is enforceable as long as it is not
> something illegal by a state
> or Federal law.
>
> Both ebay and paypal has in their TOS if you do
> something they don't like
> they can ban you for life.
>
> On your website idea that is great, check out
> www.paypalsucks.com they have
> been operating for years against paypal.
>
> FYI Paypal and G/L must get their office personal
> from the same place. Good
> luck, Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Patrick Jankowiak <recycler@swbell.net>
> >To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >Subject: Re: [MV] Anti-GL site (Here's a preview)
> >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:38:06 -0600
> >
> >Do it. They can do nothing as long as you go no
> farther than 'fair use',
> >and the web page is truthful. There is no wrong
> which can be done by people
> >offering their opinions on the WWW. What are they
> going to do, send the
> >french army to get you? or the black helicopters?
> (if they are GL helos,
> >they won't be flightworthy.. heh.)
> >
> >Mil-Veh Co. wrote:
> >
> >>When you read the following it is intended to be
> the
> >>first page introduction and it will have some GL
> like
> >>logo stuff and resemble in a way the GL site, just
> to
> >>give you the picture of what you are in for... of
> >>course this is just a sample of what we could do,
> you
> >>guys may have better ideas. Your comments will be
> >>appreciated.
> >>
> >>I know there is some risk that the evil GL will
> try
> >>some legal scare tactics, but we need to stand
> fast
> >>because we are right. GL is an arrogant giant and
> has
> >>ruined the experience of buying surplus for many
> of
> >>us. OK here goes:
> >>
> >>This pro-consumer, "anti- Government Liquidations"
> >>site was created to expose the nightmare of doing
> >>business "GL" way.
> >>
> >>Post your complaints, troubles, fraud stories,
> >>lawsuits, and other dissatisfaction in the forums.
> >>Read the faq pages for help in resolving your GL
> >>troubles and complaints.
> >>
> >>To enumerate the complaints:
> >>
> >>1. According to GL accepting their ToS (Terms of
> >>Service) in effect means you waive your rights to
> >>credit card consumer protection laws if you want
> to
> >>use their service, and that you may not issue a
> >>chargeback for unauthorized use of your credit
> card
> >>and PayPal account, or if you do, then they have
> the
> >>right to permanently ban you from their site! Is
> this
> >>legal? We don't know, but it's how GL operates.
> See
> >>GL's TOS for more information, its in there, but
> you
> >>practically have to be a Philidelphia lawyer to
> find
> >>it..If you have a problem with "GL" or they feel
> your
> >>actions are questionable, then GL is the
> investigator,
> >>judge, jury and executioner. "Telling your side"
> of
> >>what happened, in most cases seems to be
> irrelevant
> >>and is met with a stonewall corporate attitude.
> Try
> >>to get the details of their investigation or
> documents
> >>they relied upon to make their decisions, ha!
> >>
> >>2. Their customer service is horrible. They make
> you
> >>call on their dime to resolve problems they
> caused. Once you get there
> >>expect the process to be tedious,
> >>fraught with obstruction and you likely get
> bounced
> >>around from person to person. If that was not bad
> >>enough, chances are you will get zip, just a
> lecture
> >>on why it's YOUR FAULT.
> >>
> >>If you feel you have been treated unfairly by this
> >>corporation, you need not feel alone, nor
> helpless. This time the "little
> >>guy" is taking a stand against
> >>this huge monopoly. Like you, we're fed up with
> >>"Government Liquidations" arrogance, rudeness and
> >>highly questionable business practices. If these
> tactics were done by you
> >>or your small
> >>business operation, you would would soon be out
> of
> >>business, however GL's doesn't have to worry about
> >>customer satisfaction because they are the only
> game
> >>in town, so to speak.
> >>
> >>GL has a monopoly on a good deal of the US
> military
> >>surplus they are selling around the world. The
> loss
> >>of a few hundred customers due their shoddy
> behavior
> >>is no big deal. They know there are thousands of
> >>others who will take the place of those angry
> >>customers because buyers are virtually forced to
> do
> >>business with them or do without. So, you to do
> it
> >>their way or no way and if they are wrong you
> better
> >>just get over it or you're not going to be doing
> >>business with them again. Apparently GL never
> heard
> >>of, "The customer is always right." Now it's more
> >>like "GL is always right!"
> >>
> >>Case in point, awhile back I had been buying
> surplus
> >>on a fairly regular basis from GL. Since their
> suplus
> >>pickup points vary with individual auctions and
> times,
> >>I occassionally had to wait weeks, sometime even
> >>months if a release form was needed from the
> >>government. Then I would make my rounds and
> retrieve
> >>the items I bought, so far so good.
> >>
> >>This worked for a time, then one day I was told
> some
> >>property I had bought thru GL had been placed back
> >>into "inventory" and resold without any notice to
> me! I think about 5-6
> >>weeks had passed from the time I
> >>bought it and when they resold it. Seems how long
> >>they hold property changes from location to
> location
> >>and it depends on who you know.
> >>
> >>This was a stunner and the lack of courtesy
> involved
> >>left me feeling pretty flat. Heck, I was a pretty
> >>good customer and I knew many people at the site
> where
> >>the property was warehoused. Is that legal to
> resell
> >>already sold and paid for property without noice
> to
>
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