From: uniquemachine@cybcon.com
Date: Tue Apr 26 2005 - 14:25:14 PDT
I have a gallon of 2 part epoxy paint from a Calif. comp. called Deft
coatings. It is an Olive drab with a part # 34088 and was formerly
known as # 34087. What is the diff and why change the # ?
Jon
> John,
>
> Army Motors or Military Vehicles magazine had a great article about the
> evolution of 24087. I am well aware of the changes of color that took
> place over the years. It is just unfortunate that the military could not
> have used an alpha designation for each upgrade. During my 43 years in the
> military, every time we repainted trucks, they did not match.
>
>
>
> The 24087 available now is actually lighter in tone. Worse yet ALL spray
> 24087 is not a match to can paint. The spray is what we called "Baby
> Sh**" spray since it looks more like a dirty diaper. Sure wish we could
> convince a supplier to make spray OD in the older color. I would buy
> several cases, if ever available. Many of my friends would also. How
> about it, paint people ???
>
> I had found gal cans of original older 24087 paint & painted my early 1952
> M38A1. It looks good. Now when I have to touch up a small scratch, with
> spray, it does not match.
>
> Thanks much.
>
> Tom McHugh, NJ
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adams-Graf, John" <John.Adams-Graf@fwpubs.com>
> To: "Thomas M McHugh" <tmmchugh@msn.com>; "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:27 AM
> Subject: RE: Olive Drab no. 3412 color ???
>
>
>
>
> Tom:
> I realize that the study of U.S. vehicle paint colors is complex, to say the
> least. But, if you reread what I had written before (still pasted at the
> bottom of this post), OD No. 3412 is the SAME as Olive Drab No. 22, which is
> the same as OD No. 9 and which is the same as AN 319.
>
> SO, to simplify it, if you want OD No. 3412, buy AN 319. There should be no
> difference as it was all the same formulation. Incidentally, on March 1,
> 1956, Federal Standard 595 redesignated Olive Drab 3412 (formerly No. 22,
> No. 9, and 319) as "34087". Be careful here, though and read closely:
> FEDERAL STANDARDS EVOLVE. The number "34087" represents different things at
> different times since 1956.
>
> I don't know what you mean by "the older, darker 1952 era color" but I
> suspect you are referring to 2430, the semigloss OD? If so, 2430 and 24087
> were virtually identical. 24087 is available from many great dealers that
> you will find advertising in Military Vehicles Magazine. To recap, 202 is
> the same as 2430 which is the same as 24087.
>
> John A-G
> Iola, WI USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas M McHugh [mailto:tmmchugh@msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:54 AM
> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List; Adams-Graf, John
> Subject: Olive Drab no. 3412 color ???
>
>
> Does anyone know a source for the OD No. 3412 Paint ???
>
> Does anyone know of Spray Paint for the older darker 1952 Era color ???
>
> Tom McHugh, NJ
> 1952 M38A1
> M-416 Trailer
> MVPA, MTA
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adams-Graf, John" <John.Adams-Graf@fwpubs.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] color of WW2 gensets
>
>
> Terry:
> Here is the link to a good article on paint color evolution that had
> appeared in Military Vehicles Magazine some time ago about paint color
> evolution:
> http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?Pub=MV&id=4600
>
> Also, there is an excellent synopsis of the evolution in the Standard
> Catalog of Military Vehicles, SECOND EDITION by David Doyle (pages 480-502).
>
> Incidentally, the specification for that created the number "A/N 319" was
> introduced in January 1943 ("A/N" meaning "Army/Navy"). It was not adopted
> by the Army Air Corps because it did not inhibit infrared detection. It was
> the same color as Olive Drab number 22--just a new designation.
>
> Olive Drab no. 22 was a designation created by the Quartermaster Corps in
> October 1940. The paint was to be made according to ES-474 ("Engineering
> Specification"). ES-474 was later replaced by ES-680.
>
> In October 1942, responsibility for paint shifted BACK to the Corps of
> Engineers. They referred to their own specifications, Spec 3-1. Though the
> color was the same as Olive Drab no. 22, the Corps of Engineers had its own
> name: "No. 9 Olive Drab." The spec was updated to Corps of Engineers
> standards and adopted as "Specification 3-1F/Color Car Supplement (Revision
> 1)." This was issued on April 21, 1943
>
> Before I go on...a bit of review:
> Outbreak of World War II: All vehicles painted in Olive Drab No. 22
>
> Olive Drab No. 22 is the same as No. 9 Olive Drab. A/N 319 Olive Drab is
> the same color as Olive Drab 22.
>
> End of World War II: All vehicles painted in Olive Drab No. 22 (the same as
> No. 9 or A/N 319. One color, three names.)
>
> SO....up until August 1, 1945, when Army Regulation 850-15 introduced a
> semigloss Olive Drab (for the very first time), all vehicles were painted in
> the same color (though the NAME of the color changed three times in four
> years).
>
> Bear in mind, too, that AR 850-15 stated CLEARLY that vehicles were only to
> be repainted in semigloss when repainting was otherwise required. the
> September 1945 issue of Army Motors noted that the semigloss would not be
> available for 60-90 days. SO, during WWII, NO semigloss was approved for
> use on vehicles.
>
> The rest of the story...In 1950, No. 22 Olive Drab was renamed "Olive Drab
> no. 3412". The semigloss specified in AR 850-15 was named "Olive Drab no.
> 2430". OD 2430 was the standard color of U.S. vehicles until 1956.
>
>
> Hope this helps
> John A-G
> Iola, Wisconsin USA
>
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