From: Scherrer, Tim (scherrert@missouri.edu)
Date: Thu May 19 2005 - 12:02:21 PDT
Hank,
Hank,
OK I am at a loss what your problem or issue is. Perhaps my messianic
complex (which means delusions of being Christ or a messiah...which
anyone who knows me knows that is definitely not me) prevents me from
seeing.
I hide nothing about the standards or intent for the event. Ask anyone,
which doesn't include you, who have been to the event, and they will
tell you. I ask what are we hiding about the event? It's easy to throw
words around, especially when it involves doing nothing but typing from
an office somewhere and not making anything happen in real life.
If you are so offended by the concept of this event, which is to bring
WWII reenactors and military vehicle owners together, a concept which
the MVPA Board is also pushing, then don't attend. In fact, I would
recommend you go do your own event, which includes:
-picking a route, which involves burning a day on backroads with a map
and compass trying to find a suitable route that won't get people ran
over by faster vehicles, isn't too dusty everyone ends up with the lungs
of a Kentucky coal miner, yet gets you where you need to go
-doing all the calculations that leads to a workable time table, which
isn't the easiest thing in the world
-coordinate with half a dozen communities about having a convoy stop,
which includes picking a location, acquiring and required permits and
paying any said fees, and arranging refreshments for the event, in most
cases free, as well as any entertainment at the sites (we've had bands
at two stops...)
-arrange with a local hotel for affordable rates, to include getting a
block of rooms, hopefully at the hotel nearby where the event starts
-arrange for the starting point, and all the coordination, permits, and
fees that may require
-arrange for camping at the starting point, which also requires a permit
and coordination with the park staff, and police
-publicize the event to the world by email, phone, mail, word of mouth
so you get people to attend
-publicize the event in the local communities involved so people show up
and participate, thus supporting the economic development people you've
gotten all this free stuff from
-coordinate with 4 county, 4 city and 1 state law enforcement agency so
you are following the laws, and they don't freak out and respond
accordingly when someone sees a jeep with a .50cal pass by their car on
the highway
-secure any parade permits required with any of the local communities
-arrange to have someone to assist with any vehicle breakdowns during
the event
-figure out exactly who is coming and who isn't coming to the event in
terms of vehicles
-figure out who is coming as riders, and if you have enough seats to
accommodate them, and deal with the last minute cancellations on behalf
of riders and vehicle owners, and shift people accordingly.
-arrange with the caterer(s) for the event, to get the food counts
right, and ensure quality
-do the event budget and make sure the event stays within the budget.
(this event is the Railsplitter's annual fundraiser and our operating
budget comes from it for the next year...typically about $600..mostly
from t shirt sales)
-have an original design for a t-shirt made and printed up in the right
sizes, market and sell them and deal with any extra shirts remaining to
sell them
-coordinate with the event staff, to include leaders, MPs, medical
people..everything...
-build leader books so the section leaders know where they are going,
this means some time at Kinkos
-write the event Operations Order so everyone understands the scheme of
maneuver
-plan the prevent activities on the afternoon before the event, which
has involved a visit at the VA hospital, and a nursing home
-plan the pre-event reception where people can get registered and meet
the people they are riding
-ensure registration is run efficiently, and ensure anyone who
registered but didn't attend
-execute the event, with all the problems, crisis, dramas and last
minute changes that occur
-plan and attend the post convoy events, which this year meant inviting
all the participants over to my house for a BBQ. In the past, it
included a big band dance.
Go out, do the work and then sit back and have people snipe at you for
things you never intended your event to do...and then talk to me about
it. Maybe we can see eye to eye on something then
I suggest you switch to decaf...
Tim A. Scherrer
Coordinator of the WWII Convoy
Hi Timmy:
I prefer to voice my opinions and displeasure with your attitude and
actions in public: the sunshine of many readers scrutiny helps to bring
truth and expose shame. I am often exposed by the masses as being wrong,
but I learn from it.
I seriously doubt that voicing my opinions to you in private would have
brought more than a snotty and demeaning note in response (as they have
in the past). Secrecy is one more trait of despotic regimes...
In reality does your event affect me? ...No, Not in the least. Does it
bother me that your messianic tendencies offend people in the hobby? A
bit. Does it offend me that you and your friends dress up in uniforms
that you did not earn the right to wear? YES, to the max. My father is a
WWII vet, (as were 7 of my uncles spread across the 5 services), and I
can tell you from long discussions gathering oral histories with him and
members of his VFW post, that those uniforms were earned with sweat,
blood and tears, something that most of you, thankfully will never
know...
Good luck, God bless (Wait, Missouri Univ is a public school, can I say
"God" in an email? I have such problems with this politically correct
stuff.), have fun with your event next year. Just try to think who *YOU*
are offending.
BTW: Love the pix that you guys posted on the web last week.
HJ Fackovec
BC-FDNY (ret)
ChOps, CTS, VP, and DICO Eastern EMS, Inc.
SATURN Officer
COO EMR, INC
And more other annoying and confusing acronyms that I care to list
gazine articles
Tim A. Scherrer
MAJ, MI, USAR
Assistant Professor of Military Science
University of Missouri-Columbia
573-882-0640, fax 0461
-----Original Message-----
From: Henry J. Fackovec [mailto:HFackovec@EasternEMS.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:44 PM
To: Scherrer, Tim; mil-veh@mil-veh.org
Subject: RE: [MV] MV's not allowed to participate in the Veteran's Day
events locally
Hi Timmy:
I prefer to voice my opinions and displeasure with your attitude and
actions in public: the sunshine of many readers scrutiny helps to bring
truth and expose shame. I am often exposed by the masses as being wrong,
but I learn from it.
I seriously doubt that voicing my opinions to you in private would have
brought more than a snotty and demeaning note in response (as they have
in the past). Secrecy is one more trait of despotic regimes...
In reality does your event affect me? ...No, Not in the least. Does it
bother me that your messianic tendencies offend people in the hobby? A
bit. Does it offend me that you and your friends dress up in uniforms
that you did not earn the right to wear? YES, to the max. My father is a
WWII vet, (as were 7 of my uncles spread across the 5 services), and I
can tell you from long discussions gathering oral histories with him and
members of his VFW post, that those uniforms were earned with sweat,
blood and tears, something that most of you, thankfully will never
know...
Good luck, God bless (Wait, Missouri Univ is a public school, can I say
"God" in an email? I have such problems with this politically correct
stuff.), have fun with your event next year. Just try to think who *YOU*
are offending.
BTW: Love the pix that you guys posted on the web last week.
HJ Fackovec
BC-FDNY (ret)
ChOps, CTS, VP, and DICO Eastern EMS, Inc.
SATURN Officer
COO EMR, INC
And more other annoying and confusing acronyms that I care to list
-----Original Message-----
From: Scherrer, Tim [mailto:scherrert@missouri.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:49 AM
To: Henry J. Fackovec; mil-veh@mil-veh.org
Subject: RE: [MV] MV's not allowed to participate in the Veteran's Day
events locally
If you have an issue with my event, or the way my event is ran I suggest
you contact me directly and talk about it....nazi regime are some pretty
strong words.
As for the local Memorial Day event, it is totally her event but it is
also completely inconsistent in how it is ran...they were willing to
have my WWII vehicles in the parade but my then wife couldn't ride in
them, nor could I wear my period uniform with it...but could wear my
modern uniform.
Tim A. Scherrer
MAJ, MI, USAR
Assistant Professor of Military Science
University of Missouri-Columbia
573-882-0640, fax 0461
-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
Behalf Of Henry J. Fackovec
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:37 PM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] MV's not allowed to participate in the Veteran's Day
events locally
That whole wine country tour seems to be run by some sort of "Nazi"
regime. The chap "Tim" who cries foul when a parade committee does not
want his ilk seems to be throwing stones in a glass quonset hut.
Given the "convoy" is driving on public roads, I think that next year
people who are being excluded should just join in the tour. (Other than
stops on private property.) I think it would be a hoot to show the
public the real fun and history of Military Vehicles. Isn't freedom what
the real heroes of WWII fought for? (Not these wannabes who play dress
up and steal others glory, while claiming to be "educating" the public).
Hankie
(Doesn't have his panties in a bunch, just doesn't like holier then thou
people)
-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Shannon
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:43 AM
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] MV's not allowed to participate in the Veteran's Day
events locally
This situation seems a little familiar to me, Oh yes, it reminds me
of an email that myself and a friend of mine received when we offered
our M-series wreckers and lowboy to go along with the first WW2 Convoy
through the Missouri Wine Country. We were told not to attend. Since
then Mr. Hobbs who portrays General MacArthur has asked me why I don't
go and I have not had the heart to tell him we were forbidden to go.
I guess Ford Excursions and red GMC 18-wheelers are true (i.e.:
WWII-era) military vehicles, whereas a 1952 military wrecker would
detract from the theme.
Scherrer, Tim wrote:
>We here in Columbia, MO have the oddest Veteran's Day committee who
puts
>on the local airshow and parade. They will not permit reenactors or
>people from the MVPA or other Mil vehicle groups participate in the
>parade, but permit classic cars in the events.
>
>The Santa Fe MVPA chapter asked several times to be permitted to
display
>in the airshow grounds and were consistently told there was no room for
>them at the event. During the event there was a ton of open ramp, and
>the classic car club had their cars there.....you tell me what the
>disconnect is there because we are clueless other than the organizer
>doesn't like us.
>
>They recently got sued by peace groups for their exclusionary tactics
>with their events, and I hate to say that I am just about on their side
>the way we reenactors and MV owners have been treated by the committee.
>I've even had members of the organizing committee approach me at events
>wanting my reenacting group at their event because we are a "perfect
>fit" for it, only to tell them their committee chief won't allow us for
>her own reasons.
>
>What a strange relationship and we are hoping in time someone with a
>little more common sense will run this event. As for now, we support
>events everywhere but here that weekend.
>
>Tim A. Scherrer
>
>
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