From: JEFF HAIN-MATSON (flmv@flmv.net)
Date: Mon Jun 06 2005 - 10:58:19 PDT
try this link:
http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=47803
It may be that you have to log on the G site to see the message forums, I don't
know.
If all else fails, got to:
www.g503.com
on the left side click "message boards"
scroll down to "scuttlebutt" and click on "Announcements, News, Humor, etc, NO
Politics"
and the top item "Sticky: MVPA Discussion" is the one in question.
Hope this gets you all there to see what is going on!!
chance wolf wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <flyn3nvt@adelphia.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] MVPA - interesting reading on the G503 list
>
> > Can you post this on the MV list.
>
> Yes please from here too. You just wind up at the login screen with that
> URL previously posted.
>
> > Though I believe in groups like AOPA and EAA for helping the aviation
> community
> > for a positive (will be needed for AT-6 owners). I let go my membership
> to the MVPA
> > yrs ago because I was tired of the "if its not WW2, then its not a
> Military Vehicle"
> > additude the group showed me.
>
> "The Group" isn't comprised of the MVPA brass alone, though, or even what
> you perceive as being the bulk of the membership. Thousands of people carry
> MVPA cards who own everything from Mules to M113s, and at each of the three
> MVPA conventions I've managed to attend, a range of vehicles from WWI
> Liberty B types through HUMV prototypes was displayed and enjoyed by fellow
> collectors and public alike. The "World War II Club" is not a sense that I
> get at all.
>
> That all said, my own MVPA membership has lapsed as of a couple of years
> back now. There are several reasons for that. I'd say "Supply Line" used
> to be *the* resource for parts and vehicles in the hobby for a decade or
> better until they started restricting this, that and the other thing in
> terms of listings and drove people away into the waiting arms of the
> competing/complementary "Military Vehicles Magazine". If I'm subscribing
> to something for...40 bucks a year...I don't want one and a half pages of
> classifieds out of a magazine that runs 20 pages or better. Secondly - I'm
> busy, and truth be told - somewhat disorganized. I'll renew my bloody
> subscriptions when I get around to it. When I do, I want a year's worth of
> publications from the date I renew, and not, like last time, exactly three
> publications for my $37 and change before getting my renewal notice for the
> next year on their fixed "renew when we tell you or too bad" timetable. No.
> I'm a customer, and the tail is not going to wag the dog.
>
> The MVPA is a good umbrella organization and does lobby on behalf of the
> collectors in terms of those dreaded Bills which seem to want to restrict
> ownership of the private Green Fleet, and had I remembered back in the dying
> seconds of 2004, I would've renewed for this year despite my "Supply Line"
> misgivings. But I didn't. When I thought about it, it was May, and I knew
> I'd be back to three magazines for $37, so I said "sod it". Out loud as I
> recall. I'm sure there are those of us who are sitting back thinking that
> despite all, $37 seems a paltry amount in order to support the Hobby - but I
> do that in spades by showing up to as many events as I can; staying up all
> night to do Club website revisions, and burning off two nice, expensive
> colour cartridges making up handouts at 2 am for events taking place at 0800
> the following day.
>
> If the MVPA wants to boost flagging membership, I suggest:
>
> a) Actually responding to people who want to have their major events listed
> in "Supply Line" (especially since the 'every other month' schedule doesn't
> permit too many "oh, I didn't see that..." mistakes before the event's
> already been and gone.)
>
> b) Scrapping the fixed renewal/pro-rated policy for membership/ magazines
>
> c) Revisiting the "Supply Line" issue and retooling whatever's necessary to
> stay competitive with "Military Vehicles Magazine."
>
> d) Encouraging more Post-WWII content in "Army Motors".
>
> e) Doing a no-frills mailout to all lapsed members 2001-2004 letting them
> know all the above has come to pass, along with a "what the MVPA does for
> the hobby..." precis.
>
> I would suggest that a lot of us support the MVPA even if we aren't current
> members. Address some of those issues above, and I'd further suggest we
> will gladly become members once again.
>
> <flameproof suit zipped up appropriately>
>
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