From: Cliff S (mtnbikinssgt@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 01 2005 - 06:56:09 PDT
The thing with looters..............ITS YOUR OWN COUNTRY THATS DOING IT TO
THEMSELVES.
Remember LA roits.........burned down their own
city..........HELLOOOOOO!!!!!!
Looters arent the smartest people........
Cliff Smith
SSgt USMC
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6K GenSet
From: Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Subject: Re: [MV] Iraq winning or losing
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:38:25 -0400
At 12:16 AM -0400 7/1/05, Stephen Grammont wrote:
>
>And they did a fantastic job. While our troops were guarding the Oil
>Ministry the museum was being looted. Kinda hard for the press to ignore
>that. Pretty much everybody agrees that we didn't have enough troops on
>the ground, nor a plan for the looting aftermath.
However, using the incident at the Museum is a straw argument. It's
generally accepted now that it was an inside job and that the senior
management likely made a lot of the arrangements. Vaults were open, not
broken open, hidden vaults were open as if the looters knew exactly where to
look. Some artifacts wer
> I've talked with senior officers that were there on the ground and they
>will tell you that set us back quite a bit in our reconstruction effort.
>Hindsight is of course 20/20. Not acknowledging our mistakes means we will
>likely make them again the next time we have to do something like this, so
>I'd not be so quick to blame real failings in military and political
>policies on a few people with cameras and microphones. All that does is
>put our service men and women of the future, not to mention our country's
>reputation, needlessly at risk.
We haven't occupied and rebuilt a large country in 60 years, give the
pentagon some slack. Some people didn't expect the Iraqi's to loot their
country blind.
>
>Before the war I thought Iraq likely had some WMD of some sort, even if
>ineffective (i.e. shelflife had expired, not deployable, etc.), but the
>evidence accumulated since going in shows the contrary. Saddam was
>bluffing and we called his bluff big time. He should have come clean with
>the inspectors instead of playing games, but he thought he knew what he was
>doing (er... just like when he "knew what he was doing" when he attacked
>Iran and then Kuwait). I wonder if he thinks about this while sitting in
>his cell.
Does calling someone's bluff still sit as a valid reason in your book?
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