From: Glenn McCalley (glenn@combatcatering.com)
Date: Fri Dec 23 2005 - 06:50:32 PST
And you have put your finger on the crux of the matter. Frequently it's not
so much the immediate reason for recording information but what happens to
it afterwards that creates the problem.
We build and operate Internet systems for people and businesses. We backup
email traffic for a very short time designed to be able to recover
undelivered mail in case of a system failure. We purposefully do -not-
retain it for more than 24 hours as we have received requests from various
authorities for copies of "any and all communications related to such-and-so
person/company and/or such-and-so topic that may be in your possession" and
our clients would be MOST put out if we had retained their data.
MV content... I have a deuce. Maryland's Historic Vehicle tag has a
provision for "limited personal use" in addition to events, parades, etc.,
etc. Now I've already had to educate police officers that no, it's -not-
illegal for me to own this vehicle and no, it's -not- illegal for me to
drive it on the public roads, but I wouldn't want him to go research where
I've driven and when and form his own conclusion about what constitutes
"reasonable" public use.
Or even more fun have the police go on a fishing expedition in the database
for "suspicious terrorist activity" (as the highway signs here in Maryland
used to say before it occured to some Einstein that maybe -all- terrorist
activity should be considered "suspicious") and lo and behold here's my
deuce out for a Sunday drive and the next thing I know the SWAT team has
chosen my house as a training area.
Glenn.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick v100" <rickv100@yahoo.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Chalk's -Big brother? nonMV but
> Kent,
>
> I have no problems with a video camera but tracking
> every movement of my vehicle and storing it in a
> database to be data mined later, I have a big problem.
>
>
> Care to have a officer check to see if you have
> stopped at a bar if you are pulled over on the way
> home?
>
> Or better yet have the system alert every officer in a
> area that your car was sitting at a bar for 2 hours
> and just left.
>
> How about when a lawyer in a divorce case petitions
> the database to have all your car movements turned
> over?
>
> I can think of many other ways it can be used. Simple
> to enter a rule in an database.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> --- santoken@bright.net wrote:
>
> > Before you all get a panty-twist regarding video
> > monitoring in the UK, one should do a bit of
> > homework regarding the issue. I knew that video
> > monitoring was nothing new in the UK, but only
> > tonight did I discover how new it was not.
> >
> > Believe it or not, the first vid cams in the UK were
> > installed in 1961 at a London Transport train
> > station. And, to be honest, I think that I'd be in
> > favor of it.
> >
> > Kent
> >
> > >
> > > From: Rick v100 <rickv100@yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Thu Dec 22, 2:39 PM
> > > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List"
> > <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [MV] Chalk's -Big brother? nonMV but
> > >
> > > More detail and more disturbing.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article334684.ece
> > >
> > > --- Ryan Gill <rmgill@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 10:47 AM -0800 12/22/05, Convoy Magazine
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >Hate to see accidents like this, and although
> > not
> > > > >military, it was a classic plane .. what a
> > shame
> > > > >meanwhile, non-MV- sorry but...
> > > > >From that same website,-- Big Brother?
> > Question:
> > > > how
> > > > >much "security" is too much? Where does it
> > stop?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1984 is just a 21 years late.
> > > >
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