From: Dan Maguire (dmaguire@mchsi.com)
Date: Wed Jan 11 2006 - 09:08:56 PST
Guys, guys...
I should have said that I am not the one with the Ferret and don't
actually know the guy. I only received the email throught the IN-MVPA
list-serv and forwarded it on here.
I am going to forward all of the responses so far to him:
Dave Thomas - davesgmc4u@yahoo.com
and I encourage you to included his email address on your responses -
which are of course, good!
I will also encourage Dave to subscribe here!
Thanks,
Dan
Auburn, IN
m151@cox.net wrote:
> Dan,
> Have you considered contacting one of the local news stations? We have a station here that has the call letters KAKE that has a feature called "Kake on your side". They advocate a persons problems and try to cut to the solution. Of course they use the story for its news value as well, but possibly given the nature of the vehicle they might take an interest and help to champion your cause. They have researchers who will do the leg work to build a case on your behalf and sometimes once an issue reaches public scrutiny things get resolved. It also has the risk of the state digging in and fighting, but that risk is no different than if you go to court.
> From: Dan Maguire <dmaguire@mchsi.com>
> Date: 2006/01/11 Wed AM 12:14:13 EST
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Subject: [MV] [Fwd: [inmvpa] i need your help, please]
>
> Anyone else see this? I got it through the Indiana MVPA email list.
> Sorry of the list is aware of this - I don't recall seeing it before.
>
> Dan,
> Auburn, IN
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [inmvpa] i need your help, please
> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:47:22 -0000
> From: Dave <davesgmc4u@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: inmvpa@yahoogroups.com
> To: inmvpa@yahoogroups.com
>
> Some of you may already know me and my troubles I speak of here. For
> those that haven't,,,,
>
> My name is Dave Thomas. I reside in Kansas, City, KS, USA. I
> purchased a ferret scout car from a gentleman in Texas not that long
> ago. For those of you not familiar with a ferret I would suggest
> that you could visit an excellent web site to learn a bit more about
> it.
>
> http://www.ferretscoutcar.info/
>
> Or visit the Yahoo! Groups site at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ferret-heaven/
>
> Anyhow, back to my problems,,,,I brought the ferret back to my
> Kansas City home and unloaded it from the truck. As a new owner, and
> acting like a little kid with a new toy, I promptly drove it around
> my neighborhood and then parked it in the garage. I bought an
> insurance policy from Condin and Skelly. The vehicle does have an
> Illinois title as a passenger vehicle. On first chance I got I went
> to my local DMV to get tags on the ferret. Naturally being an out of
> state title, I have to first get the vehicle inspected.
> The "inspection is just to verify that the VIN matches the Vin on
> the title I have. By the way it DOES. Well I first went to the DMV;
> they will issue a temporary tag so I can drive it to the VIN
> inspection station (which is done by the Kansas Highway Patrol). I
> came right home, taped the "temp tag" (good for thirty days) to the
> back of the ferret. I then proceeded to take it to the VIN
> inspection station.
>
> Now you imagine the look on the little old ladies faces that work
> there when I pulled up. I got out of the ferret and walked right up
> and told them I was there for the inspection. She said nothing, just
> picked up a phone and called headquarters. She promptly said, "I
> have a guy here with a tank". I heard her talking briefly to the
> person on the other end. She hung up; told me that I needed to take
> the vehicle to the headquarters to have it inspected. I asked why
> and she told me that she wasn't sure if it was even street legal.
> Not arguing with her I simply told her that the other station was
> too far away and that the vehicle gets about 4-5 mpg gas mileage and
> at almost $3.00 a gallon at the time I didn't want to drive it
> another 45 miles to another station.
>
> She had me fill out a form to have an inspector come to my house and
> do the inspection. Told me that they will contact me soon when they
> are ready to come look at it.
>
> A week went by and I had no contact from anyone. I called the
> highway patrol HQ to see when they might be able to inspect my
> vehicle. After all it already has a title that says passenger
> vehicle all it needs is the VIN verified. WELL??.. I was told that
> they were checking with Topeka on the issue, Topeka is where our
> state capital is located. I asked why they would do that, is it
> normal? He told me that they weren't sure if a vehicle of this type
> was legal for on road use. This is coming from the people that make
> that determination!
>
> Well after another 2 weeks went by, I was told by the Kansas Highway
> Patrol that they could not inspect the "tank" because it is not a
> vehicle and doesn't qualify for tags or a title!!??? I asked who
> made this decision in Topeka, and was given the name of Matt Moser,
> Manager of titles and registrations, Division of vehicles. 785-296
> 3621.
>
> He told me that it couldn't be titled at all because it was an
> armored vehicle. Wait a minute!! There are LOTS of armored vehicles
> running around! Brinks, Wells Fargo, etc all have them. He then
> told me that he could officially deny registration until I ask him
> in writing. So I did.
>
> I also checked all the state statutes concerning passenger vehicles.
> They are all available on line. IT fits every definition of vehicle,
> passenger vehicle, etc. It has all the safety equipment installed
> from the factory for on road use and MANY of these vehicles have
> been registered elsewhere I the USA for on road use. He has changed
> his position on the decision to not register the vehicle several
> times. He first said that it has several safety issues that prohibit
> it from being used on a public roadway. And this comes from a man
> and a department that has NEVER, to this day, inspected the vehicle!
>
> I have requested that they provide in writing what state statute
> prohibits me from registering the vehicle. They cant! There is none!
>
> I have copies of the letters scanned to those who wish to read them,
> just let me know. Email me directly at Davesgmc4u@yahoo.com
>
>
> Finally the last letter I received from Matt Moser, he states " as a
> matter of policy, the director of vehicles has declared that
> privately owned armored military combat vehicles, will not be
> registered in Kansas. To our knowledge, no privately owned armored
> military combat vehicles have ever been registered in Kansas and
> will not be in the future, in accordance with the directors declared
> policy"
>
> Ok, now this is where it doesn't only affect me, but anyone with a
> privately owned armored military combat vehicle. That would include
> a scout car? Half track? Etc, etc?
>
>
> I have contacted the MVPA national about it; they have been so far
> of NO help at all to me. I have spoken to Lou Moore and Lee Holland
> both. Neither of which really even seemed interested in helping me
> with my problem. Isn't this what the MVPA does? Fight for the right
> of military vehicle owners?
>
> The decisions by the state of Kansas affect EVERYONE with a military
> vehicle! Right now it's just MY ferret, next it could be your jeep,
> hummer, deuce, or what ever. Where does this bureaucracy end? I own
> a perfectly legal AND insured vehicle that the state won't tag.
>
> It can potentially affect anyone with ANY armored vehicle right now.
> The fact that any one of you that own such a vehicle and wants to
> sell it, cant sell it to a Kansas resident without diminishing the
> value because it cant be tagged in Kansas like it can in any of the
> other 49 states in the USA. To me this is a "restraint of trade" by
> the state of Kansas by anyone that has a similar vehicle for sale
> that a Kansas resident is interested in purchasing.
>
> I have been asked by an attorney to attempt to collect any and all
> names of owners that have privately owned armored military combat
> vehicles that ARE registered in the state of Kansas. It will prove
> to the state that there ARE indeed vehicles of this type in the
> state of Kansas and will force the state to register my vehicle. I
> am a single man, have total custody of my 12-year-old son and don't
> make a lot of money. I cannot afford an attorney to handle the case.
> I am doing what I can on my own. I was hoping that the MVPA that I
> am a member of would be of assistance to me, but I have not gotten
> any support from them what so ever so far.
>
> So if any of you could give advice that I haven't already tried or
> if you DO own a military vehicle of any type in the state of Kansas
> please contact me. With your support WE can all get done what needs
> to be done, preserve OUR rights to our military vehicles!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave Thomas
> fortitudine vincimus
> "Through endurance we conquer"
> 913-219-3179
> 1956 Daimler Ferret
> 02 BB 68
> MVPA 29221
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