From: Stu (stuinnh@mvnut.us)
Date: Mon May 01 2006 - 15:45:20 PDT
Well, both always gets my engine running……
“Stu” Southern, NH USA
“Live Free Or Die; Death Is Not The Worst Of Evils"
MVPA #14790
1967 M151A1 Jeep 1964 M416 Trailer
1985 M1008 CUCV Pickup
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From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Behalf
Of Jack Smith
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [MV] Gas Prices/Alcohol as a solution
What about hemp?
Hemp a weed it will grow anywhere, requires little water it produces oil,
alcohol, and is able to make hirer quality paper with less chemicals than
wood pulp, also I was watching PBS special where they said the ground root
is more nutritious than soy.
I am not talking about hemp like you smoke but the kind we planted during
W.W.II do make stuff out of.
Just a thought, hope I do not open a can of worms.
Jack Smith
MVPA #29284
WC54 & M1009
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From: MV <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
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Subject: Re: [MV] Gas Prices/Alcohol as a solution
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:42:51 -0400
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>You make a good point. Corn is not a very efficient crop. It sucks
>the life out of the soil also. Hence the need for ammonia.
>
>I like your idea of permanent crops - no - or reduced tillage.
>
>We will figure out a way to power our MVs one way or another!
>
>Dave
>
>Patrick Jankowiak wrote:
>>My uncle the farmer told me that suger cane would grow just fine in
>>central Texas, but for the increased water requirement. That makes
>>it uneconomical in many cases. -and in his case as he's growing
>>sorghum and maize, perhaps they pay better. He has cattle so that
>>is part of it too.
>>
>>some notes from the CIA world factbook:
>>USA arable land: 18% area
>>USA permanent crops 0.21% area
>>
>>Now look upon God's bounty by which we have too much food to eat,
>>most of it coming from that and much of the arable land is used
>>somewhat inefficiently for beef production. Ok corn won't cut it,
>>but cane would, if we have the water resources.
>>
>>
>>But to discuss the statements below:
>>I believe that corn gives you an output of 1.1 to 1 versus input,
>>and sugar cane gives more like 8 to 1. more labor intensive to
>>harvest. (examine Brazil)
>>
>>So instead of 70%, only 9.625% of the farmland would have to be
>>converted if cane were grown. Oh, and the illegal alien 'jobs'
>>issue solved -let them stay to do the work, who knows, maybe one of
>>them will invent a machine to do it better. So much for political
>>correctness, and no I have no proof about cane's yield, heard it
>>from an 'expert' on a talk show as well.
>>
>>PJ
>>
>>
>>MV wrote:
>>
>>>Sorry Sonny,
>>>
>>>I was listening to the radio yesterday while driving and they had
>>>a guy on who has done a lot of analysis of Alcohol as a motor fuel
>>>also. He basically said that Alcohol really isn't a solution
>>>either. The energy balance equation just doesn't work - ie amount
>>>of energy to produce alcohol vs the amount of energy obtained from
>>>alcohol doesn't work.
>>>
>>>He also said that if we decided to go all alcohol - and skip petro
>>>(if this was in fact possible) we would have to convert 70% all of
>>>the farmland in the US to raising corn. And then we would have to
>>>import corn to feed us. His solution was to forget about Alcohol
>>>other than as an additive to get rid of that MTBE stuff that used
>>>to be added as an anti-knock agent, but is now being phased out.
>>>
>>>So Sonny, I'm sorry to tell you that you are simply more screwed
>>>than you first thought. (:-<)
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, you are not alone.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>Sonny Heath wrote:
>>>
>>>>Leave my hero alone, will ya?
>>>>
>>>>Sonny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "MV" <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
>>>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:56 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [MV] Gas Prices/Alcohol as a solution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The idea of using ethanol as a substitute for oil should be
>>>>>looked at carefully. I have heard many times that the amount of
>>>>>energy necessary to produce alcohol exceeded the energy value
>>>>>obtained from the same amount of alcohol. I do a lot of work
>>>>>with a major distillery and they go through a tremendous amount
>>>>>of coal to produce ethanol for beverages. And that is after the
>>>>>corn and grain has been planted, fertilized, harvested, and then
>>>>>transported to the distillery - all of which consume plain
>>>>>diesel fuel (tractor and truck fuel) and natural gas
>>>>>(fertilizer). They really don't care though (to some extent)
>>>>>since coal is fairly cheap and they get big bucks for a gallon
>>>>>of beverage alcohol. The quality standards are a lot higher
>>>>>than vehicle alcohol.
>>>>>
>>>>>Take a look at this:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>Several different people have come to similar conclusions. Do a
>>>>>web search - this is nothing new.
>>>>>
>>>>>Indiana is pushing biofuels really hard right now. I have heard
>>>>>that the break-even price for making ethanol from corn is
>>>>>$2.90/gallon with government subsidies. Gee, what is gas going
>>>>>for now?? But Indiana also grows a lot of corn and soybeans -
>>>>>so you should not be surprised that governor Mitch (got a
>>>>>highway to sell) Daniels is pushing that.
>>>>>
>>>>>We have a huge amount of coal in this country - 250 years worth
>>>>>the last I heard. I think it is time we start using some of
>>>>>those resources to produce petro products.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course if we start doing that I'm sure that George got-gas?
>>>>>Bush, and Dick - I got a gun - Cheney will put Exxon on the job
>>>>>so they can make sure that we pay the proper price. Perhaps
>>>>>Haliburton can help also?
>>>>>
>>>>>Sooner or later we are going to have to electn some politicians
>>>>>that do what is good for the people - not what is good for big
>>>>>oil, corn growers, auto companies, Saudi Arabia, Casino
>>>>>operators, etc. Until then - we are our own worst enemy.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are operating under the golden rule now- those that have the
>>>>>gold, rule.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave
>>>>>With a thirsty M-51 gasser with empty tanks. (:-<)
>>>>>
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