From: Dick (rertman@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Sat May 13 2006 - 15:22:37 PDT
Interesting, Darrell. I didn't know the H1 got 22 mpg with the
Duramax/Allison combo.
There already are lots of H1 and MIL surplus Humvees out there doing public
safety
work.
As I recall, the government pays around $30 K each for a MIL Humvee, so I've
never
figured out why GM nails you twice that much or more for an H1. Does the H1
have all the fancy waterproof electrics and fording plugs on it like the MIL
version?
Obviously, the H1 has a 14 VDC electrical system, while the Humvee comes
with a 14
VDC system.
I have a sneaky feeling that the MIL Humvee production will also cease soon
unless the
gov't starts trading up to the ones with the Isuzu Duramax/Allison
combo...or maybe
they'll just have the present fleet updated to that combo.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Ramsell" <daram@comcast.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: 13 May, 2006 14:54
Subject: Re: [MV] General Motors to End Hummer H1 Production
>I think the biggest detraction for the H-1 was it high price tag. I'm sure
>it could have been sold for much less and still make a decent profit.
>Hell, they make & sell enough to the military at a much lower price.
>
> Also, with the new Duramax & Allison transmission combination I've heard
> the MPG can get as high as 22 mpg.
>
> Why not sell a commercial version of the H1?
>
> MV has an excellent point. I can see a lot of options for this. Off road
> fire & rescue trucks, SWAT vehicles, recovery truck and more.
>
> I think because GM is bleeding so hard at the moment they are making panic
> cuts. Oh well.
>
> Darrell
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MV" <MV@dc9.tzo.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] General Motors to End Hummer H1 Production
>
>
>> GM - a bunch of idiots trying to make things.
>>
>> Their decision making ability is dismal.
>>
>> Example: GM Heavy truck division sold to Volvo - now Volvo truck - uh...
>> have you seen just a couple of Volvo trucks on the road?
>>
>> The list of extremely poor decisions is very long.
>>
>> Why not sell a commercial version of the H1? And use it for it's design
>> purpose, a very rugged off road vehicle? And wow, why not put a diesel
>> engine in the civilian H1 again? What an idea!! How about the diesel
>> that they already put in the pickups??
>>
>> My diesel powered Ford Excursion - 8,000 lbs empty, and it never is
>> empty - gets a real 18+ mpg. Ford would never advertise the mpg of the
>> diesel Excursion. The public perception was that it is a gas hog. Yep,
>> the gas ones were gas hogs. Don't buy a gas version! My truck gets
>> better gas mileage than most of the small gas powered Explorers.
>>
>> If only these guys had a clue about how to run a company. Unfortunately
>> all of the guys who actually grew General Motors and Ford are dead.
>> Apparently now the only guys in control are bean counters and since they
>> don't make beans, they are screwed.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> Glen Closson wrote:
>>>
>>> http://enews.earthlink.net/article/bus?guid=20060512/44640840_3ca6_155262006
>>> 0512-1067585589
>>>
>>> DETROIT - Get ready to say goodbye to the Hummer H1, the hulking,
>>> gas-guzzling status symbol that has attracted celebrities and off-road
>>> enthusiasts but has drawn the ire of environmentalists.
>>>
>>> General Motors Corp. said Friday that the 2006 model year will be the
>>> last
>>> for the H1, which has been the foundation for the automaker's Hummer
>>> brand.
>>> Based on the military's Humvee, the about 12,000 put on the road since
>>> 1992
>>> defined the Hummer name.
>>>
>>> "It's a reflection of where we're going with the Hummer brand," Hummer
>>> general manager Martin Walsh said of the decision. "The Hummer DNA still
>>> resides in the Humvee. ... It will always be the core from where we
>>> come."
>>>
>>> GM expects the last H1s to be built next month.
>>>
>>> Walsh said Hummer plans to focus on models with broader appeal instead
>>> of
>>> the niche-market H1. Since taking over the Hummer name in 2000, GM has
>>> introduced the still hefty H2 and a midsize H3 sport utility vehicle.
>>>
>>> The H1 gets about 10 miles per gallon, but Walsh said rising gas prices
>>> didn't factor into GM's decision. He noted that H1 buyers typically have
>>> been less sensitive about gas prices than most other drivers.
>>>
>>> Auto analyst Erich Merkle with the Grand Rapids consulting company IRN
>>> Inc.
>>> said the decision fits with steps GM has taken to bring the Hummer brand
>>> to
>>> more mainstream drivers with the H2 and H3.
>>>
>>> "They're going to continue moving Hummer in that direction," Merkle
>>> said.
>>> "It's a great brand. There is a lot that can be done with that in terms
>>> of
>>> leveraging its ruggedness and toughness."
>>>
>>> Merkle added that the kind of drivers who buy the H1 don't worry about
>>> things like gas prices.
>>>
>>> "It's really one of those over-the-top vehicles," Merkle said. "It
>>> doesn't
>>> really have much of a place in everyday society. You can't put it in the
>>> parking ramps. Parking spaces can't accommodate it."
>>>
>>> The H1 attracted well-heeled drivers looking for a military-style
>>> vehicle
>>> with an intimidating stance. For the 2006 model year, the H1 was offered
>>> as
>>> a high-performance H1 Alpha that costs about $130,000 to $140,000. The
>>> 2004
>>> model year H1 sold at a base price of about $106,000.
>>>
>>> The vehicle first was marketed to the public as the Hummer in 1992 by AM
>>> General, which also makes the military version. Under a 1999 deal, GM
>>> bought
>>> marketing rights to the Hummer name and called the vehicle the Hummer
>>> H1.
>>>
>>> Hummers often have been associated with celebrities who owned them, such
>>> as
>>> actor Arnold Schwarzenegger. He was AM General's first civilian
>>> customer,
>>> buying a custom-made conversion of the military model as well as
>>> civilian
>>> production models.
>>>
>>> Schwarzenegger once owned a fleet of Hummers but now has just three. The
>>> California governor's aides say he rarely drives them anymore.
>>>
>>> The Hummer's critics include the Sierra Club, which has faulted the
>>> vehicle
>>> for its bulk and poor gas mileage. Dan Becker, director of the Sierra
>>> Club's
>>> global warming program, welcomed the news, which comes as Congress
>>> tackles
>>> fuel economy standards and some drivers face $3 gas prices.
>>>
>>> "The timing is pretty amazing," Becker said.
>>>
>>> Last year, GM sold 374 H1s, down 16 percent from 447 in 2004.
>>>
>>> GM is working to turn around its North American automotive operations
>>> and
>>> this week announced its first quarterly profit since 2004. Last year it
>>> announced plans to cut 30,000 jobs and close 12 facilities by 2008. It
>>> also
>>> has stockpiled parts in case workers at supplier Delphi Corp. go on
>>> strike.
>>>
>>> AM General, which builds the H1, H2 and Humvee in Mishawaka, Ind., said
>>> it
>>> doesn't plan to cut any jobs as a result of the decision. It said
>>> workers
>>> there were expected to be shifted to military production.
>>>
>>> With the war in Iraq, the end of H1 production comes at a time when
>>> military
>>> demand for Humvee has increased, said AM General spokesman Craig MacNab.
>>> Publicity surrounding the Humvee in the Persian Gulf War - and the drop
>>> in
>>> military demand afterward - helped lead to the civilian model.
>>>
>>> "The military production is way up, the civilian production is way
>>> down,"
>>> MacNab said. "You can't make a business case for making any investment
>>> in
>>> the civilian vehicle. ... It's a good time to stop."
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> On the Net:
>>>
>>> Hummer: http://www.hummer.com
>>>
>>> General Motors Corp.: http://www.gm.com
>>>
>>> AM General: http://www.amgeneral.com
>>>
>>>
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