1943 Willys MB & '44 MBT
1942 Harley WLA
1942 Harley XA (two)
MVPA 14803 - MVCG (France)
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----- Original Message -----
From: COLIN STEVENS <colin@pacdat.net>
To: Todd Paisley <paisley@erols.com>; Eugene PANTANO
<snoshu@market1.com>; Military Chat Group <mil-veh@skylee.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] GPW & MB serial number etc.
> Response to Eugene Pantano's query which Todd answered. Here
is a little
> more detail for collectors.
>
> GPW serial numbers on frame (left frame rail by shock mount,
near fuel pump)
> start and end with a star to ensure that one has uncovered the
WHOLE number.
> Eugene's serial number is a partial one so he should keep
looking. Examples
> *GPW4* *GPW119000*. After the " *GPW" the number can be
anywhere from 1 to
> 6 digits long. The Willys MB numbers were always 6 digits
starting with
> MB100001.
>
> GPW engines apparently left the factory with a serial number
matching the
> jeep's serial number. Replacement GPW engines apparently were
without serial
> numbers and were stamped with the jeep's number when
installed.
>
> Willys MB engines were used on a variety of vehicles and
special machines
> and so their serial numbers did NOT match the vehicle's serial
number.
> Willys engines were pre-numbered, and then assigned to
vehicles. Probably
> the ONLY way to know if your MB engine is the factory original
one for your
> MB jeep is if it is a Canadian contract jeep from 1942 as the
special brass
> data plates on the dash list:
> * the vehicle model "W-LU 440-M-PERS-1" on MB Chassis
(actually Willys
> factory customized MBs for Canadian Army as the serial numbers
are part of
> the MB serial number sequence, though Ray Cowdery chose to
omit them from
> his sn lists in his All American Wonder books even though he
was provided
> with many of the numbers)
> * the serial number
> * the contract number - "CDLV 242" or "CDLV 505" Note though
500 were
> bought on CDLV 241 for Home Defence use, none have been found
marked this
> way and I now believe the CDLV 242 marking was used for both
241 and 242
> contracts. The CDLV 505 data plates actually appear to be CDLV
242 data
> plate with the 242 ground off and the number 505 stamped in.
> * the engine serial number (I have located a few Willys MB
Canadian Contract
> jeeps with matching engines/dash data plates/frame tag serial
numbers. Most
> jeeps in military service went through at least one engine
swap in the
> military. It was faster for the military to switch an engine
and then work
> on the problem engine later at their leisure, rather than hold
the whole
> vehicle out of action.)
>
> Wartime MB/GPW engine serial numbers are on a flat metal
surface on the
> right (starboard) side near the front corner of engine behind
the oil filter
> (a dumb place but there it is!). Post-war civilian jeeps
tended to have the
> serial number on a flat surface on the front of the engine,
just above the
> water pump.
> ===========================.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Paisley <paisley@erols.com>
> To: Eugene PANTANO <snoshu@market1.com>; Military Chat Group
> <mil-veh@skylee.com>
> Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 1:17 PM
> Subject: [MV] GPW
>
>
> >> Hi All..Just hauled a GPW home. It was titled as a 1945
Jeep. Totally
> wrong--I know. Here is what it is. Serial number on frame....
GPW
> 81208(star)....there is a star stamped in where a 6th number
should be.
>
> >The head is marked with the "f" and GPW. Engine numbers on
the block
> (passenger side) are 341087-L-W4-AN1-CR-N2. The bodd behind
the oil filter
> is blank--no numbers. The vehicle is pretty much all there
with all F marked
> undercarriage. What year is it?? What does the star signify??
Thanks in
> advane..1SG PANTANO
> [Todd Paisley had replied] ...
> >If you look carefully, there should be another star on the
frame near the
> serial number.
> >
> >Engine is a post war civilian block.
> >
> >Todd Paisley
>
>
>
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