Re: [MV] Some interesting correspondence from the MVPA - "Caveat Orator"

Antoine (
Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:38:28 -0700

Jonathon makes a very valid point here. However, I would'nt go
as far as comparing our group to a bunch of guys shooting the
breeze in a parking lot... If we were doing that, then we could
see coming in "strangers" to the group or indesirables walking
towards the gaggle of us, and turn our backs or change the
Here, what is said is said, even though it is for a "limited
record", and since the list is open to all, the list is akin to
a public forum.
"Caveat Orator"! Us old hands (Jonathon 1985 and I, 1983) can
attest that everything posted is fair game!
Sherman Oaks, CA

43 Willys MB
43 MBT Trailer
Harley-Davidson 42 WLA
Harley-Davidson 42 XA (x2)
MVPA #14803, MVCG France
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From: jonathon <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Some interesting correspondence from the MVPA

> >From: Jerry Cleveland <>
> >....
> >> Dear Mr. Reese;
> >>
> >> We elected to drop The American Story, Inc. from our list
of Internet
> >> links because of public remarks by your associate, John
> >>
> >> Among other things, his statements included: "The MVPA has
had a long
> >> standing tradition of problems or 'trouble at the top,'
which have left
> >> it little more than an old men's marching and chowder club
with a very
> >> elitist method of approaching its membership," and "I don't
know how long
> >> you've been in the MVPA, but the old MVCC was like this
back in the
> >> 1980's. It was bad news then, and is bad news today."
> Ok, two problems here.
> #1) the quotes above was presumably from a mil-veh post
presumably posted by
> John Seidts. This is NOT a public statement. This is a
statement by one
> member of a private BS club to the rest of the people who
happened to be
> standing close enough to hear him (figuratively speaking).
This is not
> print or broadcast media, this is not a letter to the editor,
this is a
> private club.
> #2) Again I point out (as I have made this statement in the
past) that
> this list, as well as all listervs and usenet, are for the
benifit of the
> participants only. I am bothered by the MVPA eavsdropping in
on our little
> round table chit chat, recording said chit chat, then using
it against
> someone or more people when they do not nor have they ever
> what is going on here.
> I'm an old man, internet speaking (1985), and maybe my
opintions are tainted
> by many years of involvement with usenet, listservs. email,
etc. Maybe you
> young'ns don't see the problem or aren't bothered by it, if
your not, maybe
> you need to think about what the 'old world' equivelant to the
internet and
> everything that goes on withinit are. A listserv, like
mil-veh, is a bunch
> of people standing around in the parking lot of a car show
shooting the
> breese in various little groupies about whatever topic comes
up, related to
> military vehicles. Nobody is stating anything for the record,
there are no
> reporters or cameras, nobody is making official statements,
it's just talk.
> Some of it's true, some isn't, some of it is opinion and some
is fact, some
> people are happy about it, some get angry, but it's just talk.
That is all.
> je
> ===
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