Re: [MV] Wehrmacht paint colours? No big deal.........

From: jim gilmore (jgilmore@ptd.net)
Date: Mon Jul 09 2001 - 20:43:09 PDT


Larry wrote:
>..................This is the best work I've seen yet on the subject. I've
>done a good bit of
>research
>on this, and the exactly correct colors for the three-color German cammo. In
>short,there is none. I've seen original samples all over the map in hue
>and value. To
>complicate matters, paint pigments change color over time because of
>exposure to
>atmospheric gasses and pollution. Yellow pigments are the worst for this.
>What
>started out as bright yellow in 1943 is now a muddy tan. I've given up on
>telling the newbies that their carefully matched paint from an aged sample
>is wrong.
>Reputable museums use chemical analysis to match paint, not visual
>comparison........

    Actually, matching these colors is not as hard as we are led to believe
and an analysis is not really needed in most cases.......

      I can speak from experience as I have just finished the interior
painting of a 1945 Jagdpanzer 38t (Hetzer), hull number d.P.J. 996, from
the Skoda works that we are restoring. Tomorrow we will be starting to
paint the exterior in the late '45 camouflage scheme of red, green and yellow.

    The WW II German colors were mixed to the RAL system. This system is
still in use today and paint chips and mixes can be obtained to match
almost all of the wartime paints. They are now called the "Classic"
colors. We had RAL 1001 ivory mixed up for the interior walls and RAL 8012
red for the floors and engine compartment. These colors are a "spot on"
match for the original colors and matched the existing paint found in the
backsides of the instrument panel and engine bay.

     You must use the number of the color and not the name as some of the
colors have been renamed (RAL 1001 is no longer called Elfenbein). The only
color that we did not find a RAL number for is the Yellow. A color chip of
this was provided by Tom Jenze (probably spelled wrong) and corroborated by
Charles Clement. Having done much research into this color issue myself,
the best book on the Wehrmacht colors is one from Czech Republic and
translated by Mr. Clement.
    Sorry I don't have the book right here before me but if anyone is
interested, Charles Clement will be stopping by on Wednesday with a copy
for me and I can give the exact title and author then.

     Hopefully, if we don't have any problems, the Hetzer will be on my
swap meet space at the MVPA Convention at Fort Lee.

     Stop by and have a look see........

Jim

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