From: Nigel Hay - MILWEB (Nigel@milweb.net)
Date: Tue Oct 08 2002 - 11:17:59 PDT
In the UK the Re-enactor is providing us with some flesh blood into the
ranks of the WW2 MV collector - just in the nick of time as it was the same
(getting older) old faces dominating the hobby.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry J. Fackovec" <hfackovec@easternems.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
> Hi Tim:
>
> You are right, I should not giggle your slurpee machine just for laughs.
> Enjoy your convoy, and be well: There is more than enough room in this
> world for all aspects of the hobby.
>
> Hankie
> Reenactor 1975-1985, then became alergic to wool <G>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Scherrer [mailto:soldierboy440@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:36 AM
> To: hfackovec@easternems.com
> Cc: john cullifer; Allan Ensor; Heath Hensley; Andrew Lawrence; Allen
> Linquist; Matt; Charlie Palek; Randall Palmer
> Subject: RE: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
>
>
> First off, we dress in period clothing, not current US
> army clothing, so there is no legal issue of
> impersonating anything. As for taking up acting....I
> already have---reenacting. That is my hobby since
> 1983.
>
> I think M series vehicles are just as historic and
> collectable as WWII vehicles but they don't belong at
> a WWII only event. Your arguements and problem with
> this event is sorta like me taking my GPW to a Civil
> War event and wondering my people think it isn't
> correct.
>
> I am not sure what your problem is, but I really doubt
> it involves me and my WWII only event..other than
> being a target of your anger. If you don't like my
> event..then stay home but also remember others may
> appreciate it for what it is. I don't comment or go
> to your events just to rock the slurpee machine...so I
> ask you not do it with mine.
>
> Tim
>
> --- "Henry J. Fackovec" <hfackovec@easternems.com>
> wrote:
> > Hmmmmmm....
> >
> > A person who likes to dress up in military clothing
> > that was (AND THIS
> > IS AN ASSUMPTION) not authorized, (earned or however
> > the law would put
> > it) to wear. If I recall this is not allowed under
> > the MVPA rules, nor
> > under the Federal Code. (One of the reasons that the
> > NH club refuses to
> > join with the national, is we have certain
> > individuals that insist that
> > playing dress up is a god given right.).
> >
> > If you like this sort of thing, perhaps you should
> > consider taking up
> > acting.
> >
> > Additionally, while you will argue that this living
> > history stuff is "
> > Keeping their memories alive" I would counter that
> > many veterans (My
> > father included), do not really need to be reminded
> > of a period of the
> > worlds history that was rife with mans inhumanity to
> > man. Disruption of
> > millions of lives, families loosing sons, daughters,
> > etc...In my fathers
> > words, " We fought and many died, so you would not
> > have to wear that
> > uniform...")
> >
> > I stand by my position that WWII vehicles are not
> > nearly as historic as
> > M series and should be collected, melted and made
> > into wheel chocks for
> > real vehicles. (Assuming the quality of the steel is
> > high enough. <G>
> >
> > Hankie, ducking and hiding behind Ronzo this time.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
> > Behalf Of Tim Scherrer
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:12 AM
> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > Subject: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
> >
> >
> > Well, I was the guy who sent out the email saying
> > the
> > event had to WWII vehicles and the people dressed in
> > WWII clothing, so the target is here if you want to
> > take a swing at me.
> >
> > The thing of it is, the existing WWII vehicle convoy
> > done in the midwest did not directly invite nor
> > involve MVPA folks because it was intended as a
> > reenactment rather than a pure MV event..and they
> > didn't want to deal with non-WWII vehicles "farbing
> > up" the event, or deal with MVers showing up in
> > their
> > jungle fatigues and Grizzly Adams beards trying to
> > pass for WWII. They just avoided the issue by
> > excluding everyone but a select few reenactors.
> >
> > My thoughts were...why not try and get more MVPA participation by
> > opening it up and giving them opportunities to bring WWII vehicles.
> > You scratch our
> > back and we scratch yours. A win-win for everyone
> > who
> > can play..right?
> >
> > Well, I'm sorry if you are somehow offended that
> > your
> > M35 Duece or M151 can't play, but it doesn't fit the
> > intent of the event. I am trying to bridge the gap
> > between Reenactors and MV collectors in some
> > reasonable manner. If you are also offended by the
> > WWII clothing requirement (and my standards I listed
> > are much looser than any respectable WWII
> > reenactment), then you just don't get what I am
> > trying
> > to do here.
> >
> > This is likely why these types of events haven't
> > occurred. I am not out to make this the 1,000
> > vehicle
> > march. I am just trying to connect up reenactors
> > and
> > MVers together to have some fun and do some
> > interesting stuff. If you want to play but don't
> > have
> > a WWII vehicle, talk to a friend who does and get
> > your impression
> > together.
> >
> > If for some reason this whole concept infuriates
> > you,
> > well then this event is not for you and ignore the
> > email. I am putting a lot of work into trying
> > something new..and of course those who try new
> > things
> > always are criticized. Go put something else
> > together
> > if you are so inflamed.
> >
> > Tim Scherrer
> > Co, 84th ID, Reenacted
> > WWIIHRS, MVPA
> > Coordinator of Columbia, MO Convoy
> >
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