From: Henry J. Fackovec (hfackovec@easternems.com)
Date: Tue Oct 08 2002 - 14:48:55 PDT
That's a great point, we definitely need more new blood into the hobby.
In my experience, as a "purist", most of the reenactors I have dealt with
want a "prop" that runs, as apposed to my (and I emphasize MY preference,
not what everyone wants out of the hobby) preference to do a correct factory
restoration with attention to minute and inane details preserving a piece of
historical artifact for posterity. But I am sure there are ones that will
surprise me.
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nigel Hay - MILWEB" <Nigel@milweb.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>; "Henry J.
Fackovec" <hfackovec@easternems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
> In the UK the Re-enactor is providing us with some flesh blood into the
> ranks of the WW2 MV collector - just in the nick of time as it was the
same
> (getting older) old faces dominating the hobby.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henry J. Fackovec" <hfackovec@easternems.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
>
>
> > Hi Tim:
> >
> > You are right, I should not giggle your slurpee machine just for laughs.
> > Enjoy your convoy, and be well: There is more than enough room in this
> > world for all aspects of the hobby.
> >
> > Hankie
> > Reenactor 1975-1985, then became alergic to wool <G>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Scherrer [mailto:soldierboy440@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:36 AM
> > To: hfackovec@easternems.com
> > Cc: john cullifer; Allan Ensor; Heath Hensley; Andrew Lawrence; Allen
> > Linquist; Matt; Charlie Palek; Randall Palmer
> > Subject: RE: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
> >
> >
> > First off, we dress in period clothing, not current US
> > army clothing, so there is no legal issue of
> > impersonating anything. As for taking up acting....I
> > already have---reenacting. That is my hobby since
> > 1983.
> >
> > I think M series vehicles are just as historic and
> > collectable as WWII vehicles but they don't belong at
> > a WWII only event. Your arguements and problem with
> > this event is sorta like me taking my GPW to a Civil
> > War event and wondering my people think it isn't
> > correct.
> >
> > I am not sure what your problem is, but I really doubt
> > it involves me and my WWII only event..other than
> > being a target of your anger. If you don't like my
> > event..then stay home but also remember others may
> > appreciate it for what it is. I don't comment or go
> > to your events just to rock the slurpee machine...so I
> > ask you not do it with mine.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > --- "Henry J. Fackovec" <hfackovec@easternems.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Hmmmmmm....
> > >
> > > A person who likes to dress up in military clothing
> > > that was (AND THIS
> > > IS AN ASSUMPTION) not authorized, (earned or however
> > > the law would put
> > > it) to wear. If I recall this is not allowed under
> > > the MVPA rules, nor
> > > under the Federal Code. (One of the reasons that the
> > > NH club refuses to
> > > join with the national, is we have certain
> > > individuals that insist that
> > > playing dress up is a god given right.).
> > >
> > > If you like this sort of thing, perhaps you should
> > > consider taking up
> > > acting.
> > >
> > > Additionally, while you will argue that this living
> > > history stuff is "
> > > Keeping their memories alive" I would counter that
> > > many veterans (My
> > > father included), do not really need to be reminded
> > > of a period of the
> > > worlds history that was rife with mans inhumanity to
> > > man. Disruption of
> > > millions of lives, families loosing sons, daughters,
> > > etc...In my fathers
> > > words, " We fought and many died, so you would not
> > > have to wear that
> > > uniform...")
> > >
> > > I stand by my position that WWII vehicles are not
> > > nearly as historic as
> > > M series and should be collected, melted and made
> > > into wheel chocks for
> > > real vehicles. (Assuming the quality of the steel is
> > > high enough. <G>
> > >
> > > Hankie, ducking and hiding behind Ronzo this time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Tim Scherrer
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:12 AM
> > > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
> > > Subject: [MV] Military Only Zone-Response
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I was the guy who sent out the email saying
> > > the
> > > event had to WWII vehicles and the people dressed in
> > > WWII clothing, so the target is here if you want to
> > > take a swing at me.
> > >
> > > The thing of it is, the existing WWII vehicle convoy
> > > done in the midwest did not directly invite nor
> > > involve MVPA folks because it was intended as a
> > > reenactment rather than a pure MV event..and they
> > > didn't want to deal with non-WWII vehicles "farbing
> > > up" the event, or deal with MVers showing up in
> > > their
> > > jungle fatigues and Grizzly Adams beards trying to
> > > pass for WWII. They just avoided the issue by
> > > excluding everyone but a select few reenactors.
> > >
> > > My thoughts were...why not try and get more MVPA participation by
> > > opening it up and giving them opportunities to bring WWII vehicles.
> > > You scratch our
> > > back and we scratch yours. A win-win for everyone
> > > who
> > > can play..right?
> > >
> > > Well, I'm sorry if you are somehow offended that
> > > your
> > > M35 Duece or M151 can't play, but it doesn't fit the
> > > intent of the event. I am trying to bridge the gap
> > > between Reenactors and MV collectors in some
> > > reasonable manner. If you are also offended by the
> > > WWII clothing requirement (and my standards I listed
> > > are much looser than any respectable WWII
> > > reenactment), then you just don't get what I am
> > > trying
> > > to do here.
> > >
> > > This is likely why these types of events haven't
> > > occurred. I am not out to make this the 1,000
> > > vehicle
> > > march. I am just trying to connect up reenactors
> > > and
> > > MVers together to have some fun and do some
> > > interesting stuff. If you want to play but don't
> > > have
> > > a WWII vehicle, talk to a friend who does and get
> > > your impression
> > > together.
> > >
> > > If for some reason this whole concept infuriates
> > > you,
> > > well then this event is not for you and ignore the
> > > email. I am putting a lot of work into trying
> > > something new..and of course those who try new
> > > things
> > > always are criticized. Go put something else
> > > together
> > > if you are so inflamed.
> > >
> > > Tim Scherrer
> > > Co, 84th ID, Reenacted
> > > WWIIHRS, MVPA
> > > Coordinator of Columbia, MO Convoy
> > >
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