From: Bill & Bonnie Prestin (bprestin@chartermi.net)
Date: Fri Mar 14 2003 - 19:23:01 PST
Well, I figured it out.
John Seidts and David Cole are related. There are nice peace loving
countries for you two to move to. The taxes there are a bit high though.
With their socialized medicine. And if you forgot Steve, our presidential
election process is not supposed be by "popular vote".
Remember: "with us or against us" You are making your position very clear.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Cole" <DavidCole@tk7.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> Excuse me! The last time I checked you were not the list moderator.
>
> I knew that your ranting was going down hill and you proved your knowledge
> by the last line in your message. You can sign off from the list anytime
> you like or hit the delete key like everyone else who doesn't want to read
> a thread. (That's the key that says D-E-L-E-T-E on the keyboard) If that
> doesn't work, do all of us a favor and pull the plug on your computer.
>
> > We elect our leaders with the expectation they will look out for us.
>
> First of all, G. Bush wasn't elected by the majority of Americans. He
lost
> the popular vote. He was voted in by the supreme court, remember?
>
> G. Bush want's us to shut up and keep on going while the country goes down
> the dumper with his obsession with Iraq. Iraq can't even launch a Piper
> Cub without us tracking it via Radar. They can't point a radar antenna at
> a dog without us knowing about it. Comparisons to Hitler? Come on, the
> guy is totally contained. Is Saddam a bad guy, sure. Him and about 50
> other country leaders should go.
>
> > As such we must place out trust in them to do the right thing.
>
> Yeah right, George Bush has no interest in the Oil Companies, Nixon was an
> excellent president, and Bill Clinton was a real moral guy. Tell me more,
> you are just overflowing with wisdom, or is that...
>
> > Otherwise sit back and SHUT THE F@%K UP
>
> OK, now you have truly proved your intelligence. Yes, you have certainly
> impressed me. That's about as un-American as it gets. I'm sure Sadam
> requests the same of the people under his thumb. Gosh, I guess you
> probably think that you have leadership potential now. Do us all a favor
> and pull the plug!!!
>
> Flameproof Dave
>
>
>
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:40:46 -0500, Mugno, Anthony <AMugno@SITAAPS.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Oh yeah one more thing!!
> >
> > As for those Human shields who have gone over their. I applaud them.
> > They
> > stand out from the average Iraqi who is NOT there by choice. They make
> > damn
> > good targets that can be easily be distinguished from the locals.
> > I'll even help "paint" those targets maybe Saddam will use them to try
to
> > protect sensitive military sites hehehe
> >
> > We elect our leaders with the expectation they will look out for us. As
> > such we must place out trust in them to do the right thing. If you are
> > unhappy about the results of an election then get out their and motivate
> > more of your friends to vote next. Otherwise sit back and SHUT THE F@%K
> > UP
> >
> > That is All
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Glen Bedel [mailto:GBedel@designforum.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:58 AM
> > To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> > Typically a criminal in this country if told by the Police to drop your
> > weapons), you do as they say or suffer the consequences. There is always
> > no
> > time to argue about time to disarm.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Seidts [mailto:jseidts@astory.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 12,
> > 2003 8:51 AM
> > To: mil-veh@mil-veh.org
> > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > You are right about history, but remember whose father put Saddam in
> > power, who funded the Mujaheddin and then dropped them like a hot
potato,
> > and who stood around while lots of muslims were ethnically cleansed in
> > the
> > Balkans. We also tolerated the Turkish solution to the "Kurd" problem,
> > which was to declare them terrorists (which they rightly were) and kill
> > lots
> > of them, driving them into Iraq; now of course, they are our deepest
> > concern.
> > I think that my objection to this war is the one most of Europe has-
> > give the disarmament a chance. If we let ourselves get into a conflict
> > where WMD is used, we are setting a precedent that has few borders.
> > There
> > is a strong Pan-Islamic movement in the middle east, whether we want to
> > admit to it or not, and I think us respectfully allowing a nation to
> > choose
> > its path is better in the long term than going to war. Not doing so is
> > to
> > risk a spiraling security problem here in the US. Maybe not more WTC's,
> > but
> > certainly more sniper incidents, Atlanta Olympic bombings, etc.
Saddam's
> > smoke in mirrors anyway-his day is coming due to his age. My solution-
> > just take the oil fields, and pump them while holding the money in
> > escrow,
> > less the cost of the occupation. Saddam will be gone in a year.
> > The rest of the security council is just trying to make sure we are
> > not bailing out our economy by going after the cheap oil in Iraq.
> > Especially
> > when our leaders are talking about possibly decades of occupation of the
> > country?
> > Any how, this is only a prelude to what is going to happen with
> > China. The worlds fastest growing economy is going to come into
conflict
> > with the worlds second longest standing rich economy, I'm sure. And I'd
> > rather have the hands clean on the part of the US before we get into
that
> > one. That is the real future conflict I am talking about. Anything we
> > do
> > today that reverberates for 40 years (as a unilateral attack will do) is
> > something we need to consider very carefully. Colin Powell, the one I
> > respect most out of our leadership right now, felt the same way. He was
> > told to toe the line...
> > Then again, if our economy is in the tank as bad as they suspect it
> > will go in the White House-then we need the cheap oil!!!
> >
> > I think you know what I am saying when I mention the term
> > "wannabees." I think we are being pretty strongly propagandized right
> > now,
> > with the alerts, predictions of cost in fighting terrorism, etc. and
> > those
> > who are emotionally tied to military history are very quick to jump on
> > the
> > war band wagon. I am tied to it in the same way. But there are lots of
> > level heads out there, with much military experience, who are saying to
> > be
> > cautious with this one; they realize that maybe this is not as serious
> > as
> > we make it out to be. I am very concerned that we are being driven down
> > a
> > road that has fewer forks in the future.
> > We shouldn't be led there by wannabee power projectionists. If our
> > administration thinks that we can send Madison Avenue to Europe, Africa,
> > the
> > Middle East, and Asia and improve the US image while we are engaging in
> > hostile acts against Iraq, they are wrong. The world judges us not by
> > the
> > last two years of our history, but the last 40 years. Vietnam, refusal
> > to
> > ship wheat to Russia during famines, indifference during African
> > revolution
> > and genocide, refusal to deal with the Indian Subcontinent crisis (which
> > is
> > a MUCH more serious threat to world stability than Iraq, as far as I am
> > concerned-remember what nationality sells you your morning coffee every
> > day
> > and what they could put in it), and corporate ventures into China's
> > economy
> > without end. We don't look good. There are countries out there that
> > look
> > at us as Germany was perceived during WWII, with great horror, but no
> > real
> > way to stop us. We are pretty much the strongest military nation on
> > earth,
> > and we need to wield that power carefully-that's for sure...
> >
> > We might be able to keep a billion muslims from uniting, or postpone it
> > for
> > a while. But we might have trouble keeping a billion Hindu's, 2 billion
> > Chinese, and a billion muslims from fighting us to a draw if we don't
> > project our power wisely...
> >
> > Just a different point of view to think about...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve & Jeanne Keith" <cckw@attbi.com>
> > To: "John Seidts" <jseidts@astory.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] The French
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > I should've mentioned that.
> >>
> >> Prolly yes
> >>
> >> > Of course, that rant by me, former US Army
> >> > Special Forces for 10 years....
> >>
> >> Thank you for your service to this country!
> >>
> >> With all due respect though, battlefield/military
> >> experience is 'wonderful' teacher, however history
> >> is a better one IMHO
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> Dave
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