From: Steve & Jeanne Keith (cckw@attbi.com)
Date: Sat May 24 2003 - 04:57:51 PDT
Actually, I was thinking that MV Mag should do a test!
You know, paint test strips and leave them out in the
weather etc.
They won't because of advertising $$, but I can dream....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "m35products" <m35prod@optonline.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Gillespie vs Aervoe, some results
> Greetings, Jim:
>
> You seem to have succeeded in comparing the two products fairly, as in
> "apples to apples". It was good of you to take the time to do the test,
and
> to share the results with us. However, I would give the Aervoe company a
> call, or an email, with several questions for them. Perhaps the paint was
> out-dated? Not being an expert on paint (or anything else) I am not sure
if
> manufacturing dates are an issue. Perhaps the Aervoe was stored in a too
> hot / too cold environment. I have no bias for or against either product,
I
> just suggest that we give Aervoe a chance to defend their product on this
> list. It seems only fair. I speak from experience, having had my products
> bad-mouthed here by grumpy old men. Once a product gets bad press, it's
hard
> to recover credibility.
>
> Arthur
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <gadget@easypath.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:57 AM
> Subject: [MV] Gillespie vs Aervoe, some results
>
>
> > My Experience: Gillespie vs. Aervoe
> >
> > Disclaimer: I am not a painting professional, and only have these two
> > experiences to compare. I read labels, asked questions, try various
> > settings, and I practiced on lots of scrap before I painted these
> vehicles.
> > The results are very different, and I attribute them entirely to the
> paint.
> >
> > Gillespie used: Non-CARC '383' Forest Green
> > Thinner: Xylene, about 4.5:1
> > Conditions: Outdoors, upper 60's dry weather
> > Recipient: 1971 M35A2 W/W (originally faded 3-color camo)
> >
> > Aervoe used: Non-CARC '992G" Flat Marine Green (WWII)
> > Thinner: Aervoe slow thinner, about 4.5:1
> > Conditions: Indoors, lower 60's rainy weather
> > Recipient: 1944 MB (originally a semi-gloss Navy gray)
> >
> > Equipment used: DeVilbis Finishline HVLP suction gun. 70psi fed to gun
by
> > compressor regulator, cut further by gun regulator to about 20psi for
> Arevoe
> > and about 24psi for Gillespie.
> >
> > Initial results: Gillespie is the hands down winner
> >
> > Details:
> > In the can, the Aervoe and Gillespie paints seemed to have settled the
> > same amount. During stirring with an electrc drill and mixer the
Gillespie
> > became a syrupy unified mixture and all the solids appeared to have come
> > loose from the bottom, well mixing into the paint. The Aervoe never
mixed
> > fully, and with even twice the mixing time spent (almost 10 minutes) the
> > darker swirls contained unmixed solids that kept coming loose from the
> > bottom. I never did get the bottom of the can feeling as clean as the
> > Gillespie. The mixture itself was less impressive too. While the
Gillespie
> > felt like a smooth mixture of "melted" solids in a solvent, the Aervoe
> felt
> > and looked more like sand stirred up in a can of oil. I felt if I didn't
> > hurry to pour, the settling would begin. The Aervoe is a thinner paint
> than
> > the Gillespie and did not have a nice smooth consistency.
> > In the spray gun, on the first coat, I'd say the paints were similar.
> > Coverage was better with the Aervoe, but that was likely due to the much
> > darker color over gray. On the second coat, the Aervoe was being
absorbed
> > like I was painting dry wood. The first coat was so dry and powdery, it
> just
> > sucked in the paint during round 2. I ended up putting a very heavy 2nd
> (and
> > final) coat on with the Aervoe since to spray it any lighter would have
> left
> > me guessing where I had just sprayed. It dried instantly when sprayed
> thin.
> > I tried various solvent percentages, but had the same results with rapid
> > absorption by the first coat of Aervoe. The Gillespie paint was much
> > different. Through all 4 layers I put on, each coat was thin and looked
> like
> > it was sitting on the earlier layer of paint, rather than being absorbed
> by
> > it. In this respect, I'd say the Gillespie is easier to put on, and
allows
> > better layer thickness control.
> > The final product is hard to tell right now. The Aervoe takes 72 hours
> to
> > fully dry according to the can. With the heavy second coat, I'd want to
> give
> > it that time anyway. The Arevoe left a lot of loose paint powder behind,
> it
> > looks like it's going to need a good wash when it's dry. The Gillespie
> > didn't do this. Well, there was a little...but nothing like this. The
> loose
> > powder can come from improper gun setup, but this wasn't the case. I
tried
> > several different settings but got the same powdery overspray.
> >
> > Conclusion:
> > Gillespie appears to be a well integrated mixture which leaves behind
a
> > colored plastic film. A film of molecules stuck to themselves as well as
> to
> > your vehicle. Aervoe appears to be a mix of colored powder in some kind
of
> > thinned glue. The two are not integrated well. When it dries only the
> sticky
> > powder attaches to your vehicle. It seems likely the Aervoe would
weather
> > much faster than the Gillespie due to the fact it it's powder rather
than
> a
> > film like the Gillespie is.
> >
> > An aside:
> > The MB is to undergo a frame-off resto sometime in the next couple
> years.
> > The MB was Navy gray and my Dad, a former Marine, didn't really like it.
> The
> > Aervoe just had to buy us some time. Thank goodness he parks it in a
> garage!
> >
> > Recommendations:
> > Instead of pouring the Aervoe over gravel, maybe the Aervoe could be
> > poured directly on the ground and small round rocks could be set into
the
> > wet paint. When dry, it would give the illusion of a military green
stream
> > with lovely river bed rocks......
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
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