From: Bobby Joe Pendleton II (bobbyjoe@chartertn.net)
Date: Sat May 24 2003 - 05:08:23 PDT
maybe you could do one, and send the results to
MV MAG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve & Jeanne Keith" <cckw@attbi.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] Gillespie vs Aervoe, some results
> Actually, I was thinking that MV Mag should do a test!
> You know, paint test strips and leave them out in the
> weather etc.
>
> They won't because of advertising $$, but I can dream....
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "m35products" <m35prod@optonline.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Gillespie vs Aervoe, some results
>
>
> > Greetings, Jim:
> >
> > You seem to have succeeded in comparing the two products fairly, as in
> > "apples to apples". It was good of you to take the time to do the test,
> and
> > to share the results with us. However, I would give the Aervoe company
a
> > call, or an email, with several questions for them. Perhaps the paint
was
> > out-dated? Not being an expert on paint (or anything else) I am not
sure
> if
> > manufacturing dates are an issue. Perhaps the Aervoe was stored in a
too
> > hot / too cold environment. I have no bias for or against either
product,
> I
> > just suggest that we give Aervoe a chance to defend their product on
this
> > list. It seems only fair. I speak from experience, having had my
products
> > bad-mouthed here by grumpy old men. Once a product gets bad press, it's
> hard
> > to recover credibility.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim" <gadget@easypath.com>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:57 AM
> > Subject: [MV] Gillespie vs Aervoe, some results
> >
> >
> > > My Experience: Gillespie vs. Aervoe
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: I am not a painting professional, and only have these two
> > > experiences to compare. I read labels, asked questions, try various
> > > settings, and I practiced on lots of scrap before I painted these
> > vehicles.
> > > The results are very different, and I attribute them entirely to the
> > paint.
> > >
> > > Gillespie used: Non-CARC '383' Forest Green
> > > Thinner: Xylene, about 4.5:1
> > > Conditions: Outdoors, upper 60's dry weather
> > > Recipient: 1971 M35A2 W/W (originally faded 3-color camo)
> > >
> > > Aervoe used: Non-CARC '992G" Flat Marine Green (WWII)
> > > Thinner: Aervoe slow thinner, about 4.5:1
> > > Conditions: Indoors, lower 60's rainy weather
> > > Recipient: 1944 MB (originally a semi-gloss Navy gray)
> > >
> > > Equipment used: DeVilbis Finishline HVLP suction gun. 70psi fed to gun
> by
> > > compressor regulator, cut further by gun regulator to about 20psi for
> > Arevoe
> > > and about 24psi for Gillespie.
> > >
> > > Initial results: Gillespie is the hands down winner
> > >
> > > Details:
> > > In the can, the Aervoe and Gillespie paints seemed to have settled
the
> > > same amount. During stirring with an electrc drill and mixer the
> Gillespie
> > > became a syrupy unified mixture and all the solids appeared to have
come
> > > loose from the bottom, well mixing into the paint. The Aervoe never
> mixed
> > > fully, and with even twice the mixing time spent (almost 10 minutes)
the
> > > darker swirls contained unmixed solids that kept coming loose from the
> > > bottom. I never did get the bottom of the can feeling as clean as the
> > > Gillespie. The mixture itself was less impressive too. While the
> Gillespie
> > > felt like a smooth mixture of "melted" solids in a solvent, the Aervoe
> > felt
> > > and looked more like sand stirred up in a can of oil. I felt if I
didn't
> > > hurry to pour, the settling would begin. The Aervoe is a thinner paint
> > than
> > > the Gillespie and did not have a nice smooth consistency.
> > > In the spray gun, on the first coat, I'd say the paints were
similar.
> > > Coverage was better with the Aervoe, but that was likely due to the
much
> > > darker color over gray. On the second coat, the Aervoe was being
> absorbed
> > > like I was painting dry wood. The first coat was so dry and powdery,
it
> > just
> > > sucked in the paint during round 2. I ended up putting a very heavy
2nd
> > (and
> > > final) coat on with the Aervoe since to spray it any lighter would
have
> > left
> > > me guessing where I had just sprayed. It dried instantly when sprayed
> > thin.
> > > I tried various solvent percentages, but had the same results with
rapid
> > > absorption by the first coat of Aervoe. The Gillespie paint was much
> > > different. Through all 4 layers I put on, each coat was thin and
looked
> > like
> > > it was sitting on the earlier layer of paint, rather than being
absorbed
> > by
> > > it. In this respect, I'd say the Gillespie is easier to put on, and
> allows
> > > better layer thickness control.
> > > The final product is hard to tell right now. The Aervoe takes 72
hours
> > to
> > > fully dry according to the can. With the heavy second coat, I'd want
to
> > give
> > > it that time anyway. The Arevoe left a lot of loose paint powder
behind,
> > it
> > > looks like it's going to need a good wash when it's dry. The Gillespie
> > > didn't do this. Well, there was a little...but nothing like this. The
> > loose
> > > powder can come from improper gun setup, but this wasn't the case. I
> tried
> > > several different settings but got the same powdery overspray.
> > >
> > > Conclusion:
> > > Gillespie appears to be a well integrated mixture which leaves
behind
> a
> > > colored plastic film. A film of molecules stuck to themselves as well
as
> > to
> > > your vehicle. Aervoe appears to be a mix of colored powder in some
kind
> of
> > > thinned glue. The two are not integrated well. When it dries only the
> > sticky
> > > powder attaches to your vehicle. It seems likely the Aervoe would
> weather
> > > much faster than the Gillespie due to the fact it it's powder rather
> than
> > a
> > > film like the Gillespie is.
> > >
> > > An aside:
> > > The MB is to undergo a frame-off resto sometime in the next couple
> > years.
> > > The MB was Navy gray and my Dad, a former Marine, didn't really like
it.
> > The
> > > Aervoe just had to buy us some time. Thank goodness he parks it in a
> > garage!
> > >
> > > Recommendations:
> > > Instead of pouring the Aervoe over gravel, maybe the Aervoe could be
> > > poured directly on the ground and small round rocks could be set into
> the
> > > wet paint. When dry, it would give the illusion of a military green
> stream
> > > with lovely river bed rocks......
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
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