From: Nigel Hay MILWEB \(www.milweb.net\) (Nigel@milweb.net)
Date: Wed Aug 06 2003 - 23:31:04 PDT
I had problems with the sale of my M16 halftrack.
The guy who came to see it and gave a deposit "subject to assurances as to
the condition of the engine" ( he wrote it on the reciept) proved to be a
real nightmare. It hadnt run for 5 years and when my friend got to look at
to get it ready to move it he identified there were valve problems etc and
we decided to hand the bloke his money back as we he woudlnt have been
happy. But no that wasnt good enough for this nightmare buyer - he sent the
check back uncashed, demanded proffesssional engineers inspection etc etc
plus a retention of a large % of the money subject to the engine being
proffessionally rebuilt at his direction. This saga went on and on, with
him threatening to sue me for his "considerable expenses" - he saw it once
and made dozens of irritating phone calls - and demanded"compensation for
his dissapointment". He did finally accept his cheque back ( if i could be
compensated for every dissapointment I had in life I would be a very rich
man) he claimed I had no right to pull out of the deal as we had a
"contract" - this was rich coming from an estate agent - in the UK they mess
clients around for a living and have gazumping off to an art form.It was a
private sale and there was no contract.
All in all I am so glad I pulled out as apart from his attitude, he would
have been constantly finding fault with something over 60 years old and I
was sorry enough to see the M16 go , but would have been sorry to see it go
to such a bad home.
Ironically, a MILWEB customer mentioned to me he had had a run in with the
same guy and had refused to deal with him.
But when I sold the Stuart, no problems, the buyer sent his mechanics down
the day before to get it running and everything packed inside so it was
ready to load when the truck came.
Of course - the wider question is - who assumes liability for NOS parts? the
original manufaturer? the re-seller? the end user? How would one prove how
they had been distributed - where does the liability stop?
Nige
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Pantano" <truks@cs.quik.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 4:40 AM
Subject: [MV] COMMON SENSE
> Hi ALL...
> It has been a while since there has been a "real" discussion on the
> "hobby"..
> Here is a good subject for everyone to get involved in....and say what you
> think.. This concerns some of the things we all sell and buy..and
sometimes
> get "stuck" with..
> Mostly it involves common sense..and a bit of a gamblers mentality..
> Here is a true story....About a year ago..I sold an engine for a
friend..it
> was a 151A2 engine...been rebuilt at BARSTOW for the Marines..and is one
of
> the high output engines they had built - different cam and head...
> I can't remember what Jim sold it for.?/ $750 or $850...does not really
> matter..
> This engine had been from Barstow to the Rocky Mountain Marines at the old
> Ammunition Plant and Chemical Plant known as Rocky Mountain Arsenal..It
had
> been over 20 years in inside and outside storage...
> I delivered it to the buyer...not an easy chore really..but..for another
MV
> nut..no big deal. Months later, the guy mails me and says that there is a
> Birds nest in the cylinder.(and other problems from the animal living in
> there)... Okay...now what..? Then he says he wants $200 back for the
work.??
> again..?? for what...?
> Of course, the seller - Jim --is he responsible for this.?? Not in my
> opinion....
> Am I..?? Not in my lifetime...!!
> Well..-- behold !! Today, I find out that the transmission in my HMMWV may
> need to be rebuilt..this costs over $1000... I bought this engine and
> transmission from a dealer here in Colorado. Now - the shoe is on the
other
> foot.!! Do I go to the dealer and say I want the money for rebuilding the
> transmission..and I paid a damsite more than $850 for the unit..it cost me
> $3500...
> Heck NO....I don't say a word to the guy the unit was purchased from. He
did
> not cause whatever is wrong.. it is a Government Surplus unit - like the
> 151A2 engine. We all take our chances with this old cr..I mean stuff..
> Suck it up and go on is what I say..and what I have always done for the
last
> 50 years.....
> What is the consensus of opinion on this guys..say your piece !!
> Carry on..Gene
>
>
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