From: patrick jankowiak (eccm@swbell.net)
Date: Thu Aug 07 2003 - 19:44:40 PDT
depends on how many sand fleas are present..
Recent letters from my Nephew incicate that sand fleas are a major
annoyance (what with few remaining fedayeen to feast on), and they
have taken to wearing dog flea collars around their ankles to repel
the fleas.
Bruce Beattie wrote:
>
> Somehow I don't think there will be any problem getting enough over there.
> Sand, that is.....
> I wonder what the weight difference between the desert fine sand and say
> beach sand like we have over here is?
> Bruce MVPA 23824
>
> Bobby Joe Pendleton II wrote:
>
> > you can also double wall it and put sand in between the walls
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Employee@MilVeh.com" <milveh@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] Cold roll
> >
> > > Was it the stated purpose of the gun trucks to use
> > > cold roll steel to stop RPG rounds????!
> > >
> > > I suppose if the angle of attack was greater than
> > > 75-80 degrees, the angle of attack deflection factor
> > > would likely stop most RPG's. Better than nothing.
> > > However, to think our military would use steel plate
> > > to stop RPG's would be wrong.
> > >
> > > You have to consider the military, anyone's military,
> > > is often forced to use make-shift materials to fill a
> > > void in an urgent circumstance. The ability to
> > > provide some protection, probably about 50-60%
> > > effective protection from most small arms, up to .308
> > > cal.(7.62x51) is better than nothing and it achieved
> > > with 1/4" cold roll, angle of attack not withstanding.
> > > AK47- 7.62X39 rounds are less powerful and likely the
> > > protection would be somewhere around 80% or better
> > > depending on the range and angle...angle being the
> > > most important. Sure, AP rounds are going to punch
> > > 1/4", no doubt about it, but again it's better than
> > > nothing and I think that was the original intent.
> > > There is also the concealment factor, that helps too.
> > > Anything to bring the odds up is good, right?
> > >
> > > Ceramic steel armor plate would be far better, but a
> > > little hard to buy off the shelf today.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents worth and I have shot a lot of steel
> > > plates with a lot of various rounds!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Gavin Broad <invest@portsmouth-mann.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi Chaps,
> > > >
> > > > I would be very interested to hear what protection
> > > > cold-rolled steel
> > > > will provide against an RPG round .........and I
> > > > want to hear from
> > > > people who KNOW, NOT from those with an opinion.
> > > >
> > > > As a qualified metallurgist ( albeit in a former
> > > > incarnation), I can
> > > > only imagine that it would be like holing up a
> > > > newspaper, when, before,
> > > > one only had arsewipe.
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought.
> > > > Gavin in yet-to-be-blown-up Bangkok.
> > > > Gav.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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