From: kevin doriety (a61ford@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 11 2004 - 03:20:23 PDT
My M-151 ( delivery date 1/61) and M123 10 ton ( 6/56) do not have turn
signals from the factory, or appear to have had a MWO installing them.
Kevin Doriety
>From: "The Elrod's" <ElrodML@pghmail.com>
>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Subject: Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:48:13 -0400
>
>
>
>All of the early M series vehicles till I believe 1955 were produced with
>only on a single rear tail light and no turn signals. This was true of
>commercial trucks also.
>My M-211, a friends M-35 and another's M-211 that are in original condition
>(read as not attacked by the civilian sector or zeroed by Uncle Sam) all
>only have single tail lights and no wiring I the harness for the second.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Behalf
>Of m35products
>Sent: 10 September, 2004 17:15
>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
>
>Does my M35 have stop, turn, and "break" lights? Of course it does. I would
>not be able to register it in NY State if it did not. I have added
>(manually-operated) back-up lights, and have all the gear ready to install,
>to add a limit switch to the gear shift to make them operate automatically.
>The state does not require them, but I added them for convenience and
>safety. I have also added clearance/markers, and conspicuity tape, to make
>the truck DOT compliant. It was not necessary, as it is registered as an
>historical vehicle, but prudence dictates an occasional expense.
>
>Are you aware of any M-series truck that is not equipped with stop, turn
>and
>brake lights? I am not. You claim that "deuces" do not. (CCKW's do not.
>M135/211/35 do.) I have never seen an M-series deuce, 5-ton, or ten-ton
>that did not. Please explain your concerns more explicitly.
>
>apb
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Farber" <farber@f-tech.net>
>To: "m35products" <m35prod@optonline.net>
>Cc: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
>
>
> > m35products wrote:
> >
> > >David, old friend:
> > >
> > >I sometimes post off-topic messages, and sometimes respond to them.
> > >
> > >I always obey the licensing, insurance, traffic, and common sense
>rules,
>and
> > >always complain about thems who don't.
> > >
> > >Is there a place for me in your Utopia?
> > >
> > >apb
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <DDoyle9570@aol.com>
> > >To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > >Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:29 PM
> > >Subject: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Over the years through this list I have made many friends, and have
> > >>
> > >>
> > >learned many things about the private ownership of military vehicles.
>I
> > >hope to remain in private contact with these friends over the coming
>years.
> > >
> > >
> > >>However, it seems that private ownership of military vehicles in the
>US
>is
> > >>
> > >>
> > >doomed.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Many of these historic machines are larger and heavier than the
>average
> > >>
> > >>
> > >passenger car, and an abundance of caution must be used in their
>operation
> > >to insure the safety of the general public. The public, and of course
>their
> > >elected officials, well remember the devastation caused by an unlawful
> > >operation of a stolen M60 a few years ago, and only a few months ago
>the
> > >tragic accident involving a pair of privately owned deuces garnered
>media
> > >attention.
> > >
> > >
> > >>All of this points to the importance of the MV collector's community
>using
> > >>
> > >>
> > >great prudence and caution when operating our vehicles.
> > >
> > >
> > >>The first step in safe operation of these vehicles is reading AND
> > >>
> > >>
> > >FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS on the dash placards, and in the
>comprehensive
> > >operator's manuals. This is indeed what dooms the hobby. Based on the
> > >recent postings on this list, there are many people in this hobby who
>are
> > >either too stupid to understand plain, simple brief instructions, or
>have
>a
> > >"this doesn't apply to me" attitude. This will surely lead to
>senseless
> > >accidents, and the tragic loss of life or injury, and in turn the
>banning
>of
> > >the "dangerous" vehicles from private ownership to protect the general
> > >citizenry. The rest of us in the hobby will loose because of the
>stupidity
> > >or arrogance of the few.
> > >
> > >
> > >>As evidence of this foretelling trend I point to the overwhelming
>number
> > >>
> > >>
> > >of off-topic, political posts on this list. Who here is so stupid that
>they
> > >cannot understand the simple list rules, agreed to upon registering,
>which
> > >include NO OFF TOPIC DISCUSSIONS? Or, are these posters so arrogant as
>to
> > >think they are above these rules, or so arrogant as to think that the
>rest
> > >of us give a rat's a-- about who they intend to vote for, or why?
> > >
> > >
> > >>There is no other explanation, it must be stupidity, or arrogance.
> > >>
> > >>So, when the drive with the same "who give's a darn about the rules"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >attitude and whiz through a stop sign (That traffic rule doesn't apply
>to
> > >ME, I'm special, and post and drive as I please) and into a school bus,
>or
> > >park their tank on the lawn of the state capitol because they can (just
>like
> > >they CAN post whatever suits their fancy to the list), we will all
>suffer
> > >for it. Just like we all suffer through their political rantings.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Yes, I could hit delete, but why should I have to? Why should I (and
> > >>
> > >>
> > >countless others) have to suffer and work because an ignorant, arrogant
>few
> > >believe themselves to be above the rules?
> > >
> > >
> > >>Kiss your MVs goodbye boys, the dopes among us will undo our hobby.
> > >>
> > >>Regards,
> > >>David Doyle
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Yeah but does your MV have the stop/turn/break/backup lights? If its an
> > ex military vehicle I would doubt it. Most MVs that are not specific
> > types do (CUCVs etc). But dueces, humvess, jeeps etc mostly do not.
> >
> > You make stop at all the signs... but if the person behind you doesn't
> > you're still at fault and are still gonna have your MV ownership
>questioned.
> >
> > A light kit for an MV is easy to add and cost a few bucks.
>
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