From: Wayne Harris (papercu@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 06 2004 - 07:08:03 PDT
>From the net. http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/diesel_fuel.htm
Fuel Tidbits from the Bradley Bits - a news bulletin for Bradley Fighting
Vehicles
JET A-1 fuel is essentially identical to JP-8 except it does not have
three additives required in JP-8: a fuel system icing inhibitor, a corrosion
inhibitor, and a static dissipater additive. Hot JP-8 fuel reduces the life
of fuel pumps on some diesel engines, so avoid using JP-8 or Jet A-1
extensively in hot heather, and keep the fuel tank as full as possible to
reduce fuel temperature.
Diesel fuel #2 and water separate completely; JP-8 fuel and water do not.
JP-8 becomes cloudy when contaminated with water; and the cloudier the fuel,
the more severe the contamination.
>From: "kevin doriety" <a61ford@hotmail.com>
>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question Not the same anymore
>Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:43:30 +0000
>
>
>
>How about jet fuel? I understand the army uses JP-8 in everything now.
>>From: grntrks@juno.com
>>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>>Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question Not the same anymore
>>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:50:41 -0500
>>
>>Wayne,
>>I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I completely forgot about
>>the sulphur content. Big difference. I was told by a mechanic that the
>>sulphur partially lubed the injection pump and the low sulphur in todays
>>diesel fuel is one reason the expected life of an injection pump has
>>deminished. He recommended using an addative to lube the pump at least
>>every third fill up. I followed his advise and have not had a pump
>>failure since.
>>Frank
>>
>>On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:02:14 -0400 "Wayne Harris" <papercu@hotmail.com>
>>writes:
>> > From the net. http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/diesel_fuel.htm
>> >
>> > Off road diesel and the diesel for the newer trucks and cars are not
>> > the
>> > same. The fuel at the pump maked "Highway Diesel #2" means that the
>> > sulfur
>> > level is approved for highway use and catalytic converters. Diesel
>> > #2 is
>> > heavier than #1. It also (usually) has lower Cetane and more heat
>> > energy per
>> > gallon than #1. #2 will tend to form wax crystals and gel at
>> > temperatures
>> > below 10 degrees F. Most winter fuels are a blend of #1 and #2, but
>> > when it
>> > gets really cold add fuel conditioner to avoid clogging the fuel
>> > filter with
>> > wax crystals
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Off road fuel still has the sulfur which affects wear, deposits, and
>> >
>> > particulate emissions. Diesel fuels contain varying amounts of
>> > various
>> > sulfur compounds which increase oil acidity. Legislation has reduced
>> > the
>> > sulfur content of highway fuel to 0.05% by weight. Off road fuel has
>> > an
>> > average of 0.29% sulfur by weight.
>> >
>> > fuels, DOT inspectors, and the perils of having dyed fuel in a tank.
>> > Here
>> > are the high points:
>> >
>> > Off road Diesel #2 and fuel oil # 2 differ only in the tax applied
>> > at the
>> > time of sale. Both are dyed red.
>> >
>> > Kerosene #1 and #2 are lighter than #1 and #2 diesel fuel. Most
>> > kerosene is
>> > dyed red.
>> >
>> > The old method of winter treatment using 1 gal of kerosene to 10 gal
>> > of
>> > diesel can get a driver into trouble unless it is dispensed as clear
>> >
>> > kerosene from a pump which charges road tax.
>> >
>> > Any red dye in a tank of fuel is detectable by the sampler the DOT
>> > uses,
>> > even when diluted by a large quantity of undyed fuel. As little as
>> > 1/2 qt of
>> > ATF in a tank of fuel will be detected as untaxed fuel and can cause
>> > a major
>> > headache for the driver.
>> >
>> > In VA, fines for using dyed fuel (untaxed) begin at $1000and go up
>> > rapidly
>> > from there. Road checks for untaxed fuel began in northern VA, and
>> > have now
>> > spread throughout the state.
>> >
>> > Q: What is the difference between #1 Diesel and K1 Kerosene?
>> > K1 kerosene is a low-sulfur kerosene that is made for use in space
>> > heaters,
>> > lamps, etc. - and not for use in vehicles or generators. It is also
>> > not
>> > taxed so would be illegal to use in "on-road" vehicles.
>> >
>> > Lower lubricity is likely as the viscosity decreases. While this may
>> > not
>> > cause catastrophic instant damage, it could cause long-term wear of
>> > pumps,
>> > etc. Four semi-annual surveys for years 1990-1992 showed national
>> > averages
>> > as such for viscosity (represented in milliPascal-seconds (mPa .
>> > s)(=centipoise) cSt)
>> >
>> > Diesel # 1 1.33
>> > Diesel # 2 3.20
>> > Kerosene 1.63
>> > Both Kerosene and Diesel # 1 are less dense than Diesel # 2 and will
>> > thus
>> > have a slight reduction (~3%) in BTU per gallon. This would likely
>> > be
>> > reflected in lower fuel economy.
>> >
>> > >From: grntrks@juno.com
>> > >To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>> > >Subject: Re: [MV] Fuel Question
>> > >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:05:18 -0500
>> > >
>> > >Hi Ed,
>> > >The red dye in the fuel only does 2 things--- identifies untaxed
>> > fuel (
>> > >road use taxes ) and leaves a detectable marker in the exhaust
>> > residue in
>> > >the exhaust pipes. This dye, when found in a " highway " vehicle
>> > is
>> > >considered tangible evidence that the vehicle owner has attempted
>> > to
>> > >avoid paying the " highway tax " by consuming untaxed fuel
>> > illegally. I
>> > >don't remember how high the fine is, but it's high enough that I
>> > figured
>> > >it wasn't worth getting caught. (something on the order of
>> > $2,000.00 -
>> > >first offense. - might be higher, just don't remember. ) In Texas
>> > during
>> > >the annual vehicle inspection, while checking exhaust emissions
>> > the
>> > >vehicle is also checked for dye traces. If found, you are guilty
>> > PERIOD.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Frank Cox ' Nam 1966
>> > >MVPA 14530
>> > >'45 GMC 353 DUKW
>> > >'66 M35A2 w/w
>> > >"On-A-Mission" hot shot trucking
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:42:11 -0400 "Ed Kirkley"
>> > <mojoedd@bellsouth.net>
>> > >writes:
>> > > > Hi Gang,
>> > > >
>> > > > A friend has a supply of "off road use only" fuel for his farm
>> > > > tractors and
>> > > > such. It is dyed red in color but seems to be standard diesel.
>> > Can
>> > > > this be
>> > > > used in M-1009s, Humvees, Duce and half's, etc.? Can using
>> > this
>> > > > fuel in any
>> > > > way harm your vehicles???? With the cost of fuel being what it
>> > is
>> > > > this
>> > > > seems like a valid question and I told him that I had just the
>> > place
>> > > > to find
>> > > > out.........What say you esteemed listers????
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > >
>> > > > Ed
>> > > >
>> >
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>>Frank Cox ' Nam 1966
>>MVPA 14530
>>'45 GMC 353 DUKW
>>'66 M35A2 w/w
>>"On-A-Mission" hot shot trucking
>>
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